From familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com Wed Jul 1 19:22:23 2009 From: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com (Family Voices) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 12:22:23 +1000 Subject: FV: Employment In-Reply-To: <001401c9f9f2$bf78d9e0$3e6a8da0$@net.au> References: <7v2k17$c9l6k1@ipmail05.adl2.internode.on.net><023F84F76BEA468EB15801D2834C84BE@D8XYGK1S> <001401c9f9f2$bf78d9e0$3e6a8da0$@net.au> Message-ID: <4FE9242072904F009E7DCFF81CBD6583@dell91> Thank you all for your kind thoughts. Sarah's first day is Tuesday 14th July. I have told her make the most of these school hols as could be the end of them she will be a working girl. Gina thank you for your techno tips too is wonderful you keep me on my toes and learning more everyday, somehow I have lost the touch ipod off the itunes but im getting there. I did a tidy up of computer the other day and wiped off programs spoken with lovely fellow in Manila the other day supporting me to get sound back on computer. Keep smiling Jane Warner/Hudson _____ From: familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com [mailto:familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com] On Behalf Of Family Voices Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 12:22 PM To: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com Subject: Re: FV: Jane technology tips Here's CHEERS from me too Sarah, you go gettem gal. When is your first day? Jo From: familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com [mailto:familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com] On Behalf Of Family Voices Sent: Wednesday, 1 July 2009 7:26 AM To: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com Subject: Re: FV: Jane technology tips Jane - This is a wonderful opportunity for Sarah. Sometimes things really do fall from the sky and they work out. So, GO SARAH!! We will all be keen to hear how she goes Maureen ----- Original Message ----- From: Family Voices To: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 11:26 PM Subject: FV: Jane technology tips Jane Another software tip for you. Any youtube videos you might like to put on iTunes you can do it with another free progam called Zamzar. Just go to www.ZamZar.com and in the first section enter in the url of the youtube video (copy and paste the address/link) then choose MP4 as your conversion type and your email address. You will be sent an email link to download the video which you can then easily add into the iTunes library. I use it quite a bit for all manner of different bright (crazy) ideas I have. Gina _____ From: familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com [mailto:familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com] On Behalf Of Family Voices Sent: Tuesday, 30 June 2009 8:42 PM To: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com Subject: Re: FV: Jo seeking help Jane It sounds good. Honestly I am finding technology is very much the way to many people's hearts. I can see some of the senior teachers at Mac's school looking longingly at his 'gear', I know they love getting their hands on the iPhone to try and learn it at the moment and they certainly seem like they are keen to learn more. The kids more often than not start sentences with the words "Mac is so lucky because." cracks me up. If Sarah is interested in it there is a really cool free program for Mac computers called FluidTunes. Provided her laptop has a built in camera she can move backwards and forwards through her music by waving her arms to make the program work. It is basically a basic version of gesture recognition - it is pretty mad. Keeping fingers crossed the part time job just works nicely no dramas. Gina _____ From: familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com [mailto:familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com] On Behalf Of Family Voices Sent: Tuesday, 30 June 2009 8:02 PM To: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com Subject: Re: FV: Jo seeking help Hello Ladies, Sarah's job looks like this: When she turned 16 we went thru the process of getting a DSP which seemed to trigger a chain of events. Then a job assessment by centre link psychologist Hmmmmmmmmm(sorry any psychologist out there). Then Sarah was deemed eligible for supported employment. So we have been having meetings regularly and learning along the way with no expectations. On Thursday she was offered two afternoons a week from 12.30 to 4.30 Tues and Wed. to work at a Community Based org as Girl Friday. She will be employed by the Manager of the organization. The Organization is the only service in town, which has several services under its roof. One is the Supported Employment Agency, where the support worker will come from to support Sarah at work. The org has a Respite service funded by DSQ, Youth and Aged support worker with trainee youth worker who Sarah knows from school 1 year older than Sarah, Drug Arm (who I never see anyone there), Rural Family support Co ord, partime psychologist young women who I like, Social Worker/community development worker another young women with young family vibrant person and numerous other staff admin, support workers etc. It is a new building which has built its reputation up in the community over the last 5 years under new management and committee. The manager is a IT guru and when I told him I was thinking of getting Sarah a apple computer his eyes lit up, I then told him about Ipod touch and communication program which he was very keen to see and work with. YEAH That one just fell out of the sky. AMAZING. He explained that part of Sarah's job is IT and that she would be working with him directly so who knows. I have had a meeting with the school who were supportive and have rung org and arranged exchange of communication methods that they are using. Have to say I am a bit scared to say too much out loud incase all crumbles down but really I cant see any reason to not give this a go. One thing I have been able to do since coming home from Canada is step back and let people do. Maybe because I have been able to get the words of wisdom from FV and feel safe to share thoughts. Anyway I know this is a journey and no doubt will have its pot holes but I am truly so thrilled for Sarah that people are giving her a go. I am hoping that given the opportunity Sarah will shine. Is quite ironic really when I spoke with school they were thrilled but were concerned because they had organized for Sarah to go to Primary school on a Monday afternoon to do work experience in admin. We will see!! Take care Jane Jane Warner/Hudson 07 46714737 _____ From: familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com [mailto:familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com] On Behalf Of Family Voices Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 3:14 PM To: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com Subject: Re: FV: Jo seeking help Hi Jane, this is fantastic news about Sarah and a job opportunity. What will she be doing? Good on her.. I wish you all well. Maureen ----- Original Message ----- From: Family Voices To: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 2:18 PM Subject: Re: FV: Jo seeking help Hi all Still trying to catch up have now printed off conversations and moving sheets around house to get time to read. But did want to say I too really like the exchange for pension stuff. There is something about having the opportunity to give back and not shoved away because you are getting paid.???? Also to share that Sarah has been offered a job part time, two afternoons a week which will take her out of school. She will be supported by Employment agency. Is such a weird feeling, bit like grade 1, beginning of high school? Happy but I suppose bit scared my god being a mother what a fantastic journey. Sarah is thrilled!! All the best to everyone Jane Warner/Hudson 07 46714737 _____ From: familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com [mailto:familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com] On Behalf Of Family Voices Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 9:52 AM To: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com Subject: Re: FV: Jo seeking help I just wanted to say that I really like the point Maureen makes about the need for contribution in exchange for the pension...that is really cool in terms of creating a sense of accountability/responsibility to contribute. We should do more of that. Jaquie :-) From: familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com [mailto:familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com] On Behalf Of Family Voices Sent: Friday, 26 June 2009 2:53 PM To: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com Subject: Re: FV: Jo seeking help Yes, a sense of worth is the critical and most important outcome. Ben's paid employment for 19 hours/week across five days is complemented with two half days of voluntary work. He is a community bus assistant one afternoon where he assists elderly passengers on and off the bus with their parcels and helps with reshelving in the Library another afternoon. Both these unpaid jobs contribute to his self worth and bring him into contact with community. I don't think working full time in his paid work would work for Ben even if it was offered. The bus job is the one where he feels that he is contributing most and the passengers give him chocolates for Christmas! The job he enjoys most is the Library and I don't know why. Although he enjoys his paid work to a point, it depends on who he is working with. The times it has been difficult are when he has been working with people who have not been supportive or inclusive. He does not verbalise this but when it is happening he gets into some unacceptable behaviour at work and develops some strong obsessive compulsive behaviours. This has been the really hard stuff to work through as work decided that these behaviours are part of his disability and not a result of his environment. There have been many times when I considered him leaving, but knowing the difficulty he would have in getting other activities to fill his day enjoyably, it would add to his feelings of low self esteem. Another activity which adds to his sense of importance is going to his 87 year old grandmother's once a week for dinner and stay the night. He says he goes there to take his grandfather's place and look after her. It has been a great joy to see their relationship develop over the past couple of years as my mother , although loving him dearly, has always thought of him as a little boy with no regard for his adulthood. Now, she looks forward to his stay, spends all day cooking for him (4 courses) and says she has the best night's sleep when he is there. He also brings home a left over meal, which he pointedly says to me the next night "I have my own meal tonight" Love it! The balance is fine at the moment but daren't take my eye off it. Jill Your wise words Miriam are almost exactly what we have here with Lauren. Her voluntary position is as important as any paid position. We have emphasised her pension is given to her and for that she should contribute to the world. She can understand that. She is a happy volunteer, She is actually very proud of it and wouldn't hear of anyone underestimating it. When a paid job comes along it is all a bonus. As for her paid position at the market. She has usually spent the pay before she leaves the market! Talk about "put back!" But it is her money and hard earned. Maureen ----- Original Message ----- From: Family Voices To: family voices Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 2:28 PM Subject: Re: FV: Jo seeking help Jo all these messages to you make me feel really guilty about getting work for Rachel . We did start to go down that journey when she first left school and like many found it all so depressing. The jobs we managed to get her into were tokenism and did not last or were simply things she did not enjoy doing."I am not cleaning out bird cages" and it was all greatly upseting for her. So we took another path. We first of all helped Rachel to understand that she did get a pension each week and therefore was assured of an income. However this was like being paid and she was expected(by us) to be willing to put something back into the community. We did not care what it was but she needed to go out of the house several days a week to do something, This could be a Gym session ,typing and helping with the children at the day care centre, typing for the Salvation army, offering to set up and clear up for a sporting or social club. dance lesson , walking a friends dogs. a TAFE course. It did not matter what it was. Some of these things she needed someone with her and some she did not What was important for us was that she gained a good feeling about giving back and not just taking her pension for granted and doing nothing. The activities she took on were ones which followed her interest and so she was fully committed to them . This enabled her to be welcome in the setting and offered no stress to people requiring her to be paid. As time went by Rachel skills were recognised and from time to time she is paid for work she does and she is delighted. The great thing about this for us and for her is her life is full and we seem never to have to worry about what she will be doing next week.We are however the constant taxi driver and need to be ever vigilant to note the next door waiting to be opened. I do not know if she will ever get a full time paid job but she has learnt about the work ethic and thankfully appraoches each new opportunity with enthusiasm . I am sure this is letting employers off the hook but for Rachel her life is full of work, sometimes very demanding but also rewarding and with no one giving her the charity vote Miriam _____ To: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 12:31:18 +0930 From: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com Subject: Re: FV: Jo seeking help OK about the forwarding my email Jo. You are already doing the positive stuff as the meeting wouldn't have gone the way it did! Maureen's tales reminded me of a situation we had with Ben. He was doing some work experience with a house cleaning team. House cleaning is the least thing he would be interested in doing so it was doomed from the beginning! (another thing to keep in mind......not to set up for failure by doing things that Dan has no interest in). Well, the person in charge rang me to tell me that Ben was not doing at all well and that 'people like him' do best collecting trolleys at supermarkets! He hadn't even met Ben!!!!!! Needless to say the conversation ended very quickly. That person actually apologised about five years later after he heard how well Ben was doing in his job as an admin assistant. When suggestions like this are put forward, I now realise that there is no point into putting effort and time into these people....they are wasting Ben's time. Surround yourself and Dan with people who believe in what you want to achieve and do not have their own agendas. Ben has had his job for 19 years and is taking his second lot of long service leave in August. It hasn't been without its worrying times, but what I now realise is that most of the problems were caused by other people and not by Ben. It is so easy to fall into "it must be the person who has the disability" as the problem and then as the parent, try to fix the problem by trying to 'fix' our son or daughter. It is also good cop out stuff for some people so that they don't have to put in more effort. Hopefully I have learned to be a bit more circumspect. These issues are similar to school issues when inclusion is not the real agenda. It has all been worth every bit of worry, effort etc as Ben's life is so rich with all the contact he has in community and the knowledge that 'ordinary' people have learned from his community presence. Best Wishes Jill On 26/06/2009, at 10:37 AM, Family Voices wrote: Thanks so much Jill and Maureen for your support, I appreciated the stories Maureen of the difficulties and am taking note for future reference, I had to laugh at the possible "Logging in the Otways" job and can see how ridiculous it can get and how important it is to keep a sense of humour. The agencies here will not support Dan because of his disabilities - they have all this criteria that he has to fit in to for him to be helped, so have known for many years that we will have to find him jobs ourselves - I so understand the comment about "it being too difficult for them", it's an internal battle I've had for many years, even about the schooling. Am going to make a big effort to take on your advice Jill, to be positive and raise my expectations. They are going to make up Dan's resume in his IT class, he will be doing it - they came up with this idea themselves. I think I may have finally gotten the knack of planting seeds in a certain way where they are coming up with the ideas. It's only taken me 12 years!! I couldn't believe how the meeting went with the enthusiasm and ideas flowing - more than I could come up with on my own. I would like to print off your emails to share with school if you are ok with that. Thanks again Jo From: familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com [mailto:familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com] On Behalf Of Family Voices Sent: Friday, 26 June 2009 8:36 AM To: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com Subject: Re: FV: Jo seeking help Hi Jo We have had a fair bit of experience with what you are going through. The CV is a great start, Lauren's interest is film, theatre and TV and celebrities. So we started trying to find a position where she could be involved in something like that. We went totally mainstream, and the only thing that was different from any other young person going for a position is that she had a support worker with her. There are plenty of learning's here. One theatre that she went to took all her information and she filled out "The form"and they said the next step would be a phone interview! Well, that did happen when I wasn't home and, quiet honestly, Lauren sounds more like a 10 year old than an (at the time) 18 year old when she is on the phone. After that they wrote to her and said don't bother EVER applying to our theatre again! She was devastated and so was I. We took a big step back. I have since heard that allot of places do a first interview on the phone and once you get past that you get to the next round. Next theatre Lauren got the position fair and square and the management were most acceptable and actually surprised me at how accepting they were. However, under the manager came the regular staff, who had no idea how to work with someone with a disability. The support worker went with her and she was selling programs at the theatre entrance. The podium she was to stand on was dangerous for her and she had to balance her books! The support worker was on the ball and Lauren was working very hard. However 4 hours on her feet standing on a small platform is physically too much for her and they offered her a job ion the cloakroom. That was fine,only when I went to pick her up she was sitting in what looked like a cupboard! She was so miserable as she had been there for 4 hours and spoken to no one and was terribly concerned she had got things (Peoples belongings) mixed up!I couldn't get her to go back she was so stressed! The support worker couldn't fit in the cupboard so wandered around the theatre. This position was paid a normal wage. However, even though meagre, I had to report it to Centrelink every fortnight, even if she didn't get a shift and it never incringed on her pension. I was so worried about phoning them on the right day at the right time, it became a big bug bare! I did it and hated it. Lauren couldn't possibly manage that part of it so it all became my responsibility and I am trying to step back out of her life not take on more responsibility. So just be aware of the Centrelink responsibility. The learning's in this experience is, that we should have supported the organization better and perhaps they could have supported Lauren better. I always felt the management wanted to but didn't know how, and I wasn't confident enough to approach them - I kept thinking that Lauren would be too difficult for them so they wouldn't take her on. I think I was wrong. I could go on and on and on Jo. We have had 7 years of interviews and let downs and it has been terribly difficult to keep Lauren's morale high. She was offered a traineeship through a government job seeking organization. The young woman who was assisting Lauren to find a job would get Lauren all excited every Monday when the jobs were given to the organization. Lauren would always phone me from the place with much excitement about working at McDonalds clearing tables or Hungry Jacks serving customers (All things she couldn't physically do) and then one day in much excitement she was told she was eligible for a traineeship and it was for "Logging in the Otways"...I very calmly spoke to the young woman who was helping Lauren and explained Lauren can't use a chainsaw. The young lady had no idea what "Logging in the Otways"meant. - in case you don't know what the Otways is, it is a mountain range near the great ocean road in Victoria. I am only telling you this Jo, because if we didn't keep a sense of humour we would have gone in sane during our efforts to assist Lauren. After the chainsaw incident, we took Lauren away from the organization and went it alone completely. It was allot of hard work for me. Lauren had work experience at a video store when she was at school. Infact she had three lots of work experience at three different stores and she was very good at re winding videos and selecting the movies for in house and dusting shelves. I drove some video organizations mad with "Please let her work here!"requests. Video Easy put an interesting flyer in our letterbox that looked like a wanted poster. At the time they were looking for customers. We have a printing business, so I took it to work and made it look like a wanted poster for Lauren looking for a job at Video Easy and I sent it back to their head office and every video easy store near our home. I thought it was very clever, but no one from Video Easy answered the request! I spoke for hours to the HR people at Blockbuster. I got them all sorts of information about employing people with a disability. Lauren would be very happy working one shift a week. That's probably all she could have done. I was told they don't promise any of their staff a shift so it would be discrimination against all the other employees!! She now has a voluntary position as an usher in a cinema. She loves it. She is very valued by the organization she works for and she has flexibility around her health and her ability. She also has a paid job at a farmers market where she works in the citrus stall handing out samples of fruit and making orange juice. She is learning to serve customers. That is only once a month. I could go on and on....some good people, some terrible, some really "get it"others haven't got a clue. Now Lauren is 8 years out of school, what I notice around the group of friends who left school at the same time is..The ones who's parents have really assisted with job hunting, have got somewhere, and those who's parents can't find the time to assist them and go to interviews with them, well, those young ones are still on the "job training wheel" or work in disability training programs or the workshops type places. No one comes knocking at your door saying "I have a job for Dan" you have to be out there and searching for it. So my suggestion is..........Be creative, make sure he has good support, make sure the organization he works with are well supported too, and that their staff are patient and caring. Try not to let all the knockbacks get you down and I hope you don't have too many of them. Good luck Jo. It's a long and interesting road. Maureen ----- Original Message ----- From: Family Voices To: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 8:09 AM Subject: FV: Jo seeking help Hi There Everyone, I had a meeting with the school today about Daniels Work Placement (used to be called Work Experience when I was at school). Anyhow they want to do up a Resume with Daniel in IT - lots of photos of Dan doing things that could potentially fit in with a work situation. When the Resume is complete Daniel and his Aide will take it around to businesses we have identified as being suitable places for him to work. During the meeting I said that I felt it's important we use the right language and that we don't set Daniel up to be a charitable project. I said that some people may initially have Daniel work for them for charitable reasons but if we use positive language along with them getting to know Dan this attitude has potential to shift as I have seen occur in other areas of his life. The people I met with today were really keen to understand the correct language to use when introducing Dan to potential employers and asked me to provide them with information. I am still struggling with the correct language myself and would love it if you could suggest ways of how we first introduce Dan and so on. If anyone has done a Resume and wouldn't mind sharing we would find it very useful. And anything else you can think of to help Dan expand his work experience. Looking forward to hearing from you. Jo __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4188 (20090625) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com _____ Let us help with car news, reviews and more Looking for a new car this winter? Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.12.93/2206 - Release Date: 06/28/09 17:54:00 _____ I am using the Free version of SPAMfighter . 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In-Reply-To: <4FE9242072904F009E7DCFF81CBD6583@dell91> References: <7v2k17$c9l6k1@ipmail05.adl2.internode.on.net><023F84F76BEA468EB15801D2834C84BE@D8XYGK1S> <001401c9f9f2$bf78d9e0$3e6a8da0$@net.au> <4FE9242072904F009E7DCFF81CBD6583@dell91> Message-ID: <042401c9fb76$a88bb290$f9a317b0$@com> I see here on my Canadian calendar that it was Canada Day on the 1st so hHere is happy Canada Day to all of you up north from all of us down south! (We'd get together with the Kiwi's and sing you our national anthems but may have to send the Kiwi's a song book!) Haha -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com Thu Jul 2 19:56:47 2009 From: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com (Family Voices) Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 12:26:47 +0930 Subject: FV: Hannah Gunderson - school response Message-ID: Jill, What I really liked about this was the intimacy of the response. Did you decide - were you sir or madam? Ross From: familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com [mailto:familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com] On Behalf Of Family Voices Sent: Tuesday, 30 June 2009 9:00 AM To: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com Subject: FV: Hannah Gunderson - school response Hi All Forwarding the school's response. Hopefully there will be some more discussion with a positive outcome for Hannah and her family. Jill Begin forwarded message: From: "Bonnie Riddell TRUS" Date: 30 June 2009 6:02:10 AM To: "JILL WISHART" Subject: Re: Hannah Gunderson Please find attached a letter in response to your email. Thank you. Bonnie Riddell, Chair - EIPS. JILL WISHART writes: Dear Ms Riddell It is with great sadness that I hear your school has made a decision to exclude Hannah from travelling with her peers on the school bus. The 'out of school hours' curriculum is where relationships with peers can be fostered and developed; a critical part of every child's development and provides another area of 'life learning'. For children who have a disability this is even more critical as often there are less opportunities for friendships to be encouraged and supported. The sense of belonging and well being that ensues, lays the foundation for optimum learning for the child when in the classroom - the same for all children Segregation does not provide a positive model for the children we are educating to understand and appreciate the differences which exist among peoples. I implore you to reconsider your decision and to welcome Hannah once again on the school bus to be a child amongst others. Yours sincerely Jill Wishart -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Hopefully there will be some more > discussion with a positive outcome for Hannah and her family. > Jill > > Begin forwarded message: > > > From: "Bonnie Riddell TRUS" > Date: 30 June 2009 6:02:10 AM > To: "JILL WISHART" > Subject: Re: Hannah Gunderson > > Please find attached a letter in response to your email. Thank you. > Bonnie Riddell, Chair - EIPS. > > > JILL WISHART writes: > > Dear Ms Riddell > It is with great sadness that I hear your school has made a decision > to exclude Hannah from travelling with her peers on the school bus. > The 'out of school hours' curriculum is where relationships with > peers can be fostered and developed; a critical part of every child's > development and provides another area of 'life learning'. For > children who have a disability this is even more critical as often > there are less opportunities for friendships to be encouraged and > supported. The sense of belonging and well being that ensues, lays > the foundation for optimum learning for the child when in the > classroom - the same for all children > Segregation does not provide a positive model for the children we are > educating to understand and appreciate the differences which exist > among > peoples. > > I implore you to reconsider your decision and to welcome Hannah once > again on the school bus to be a child amongst others. > > Yours sincerely > Jill Wishart > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: not available Type: image/gif Size: 73 bytes Desc: not available URL: From familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com Sun Jul 12 00:05:42 2009 From: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com (Family Voices) Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 17:05:42 +1000 Subject: FV: Jane technology tips In-Reply-To: <001401c9f9f2$bf78d9e0$3e6a8da0$@net.au> References: <7v2k17$c9l6k1@ipmail05.adl2.internode.on.net><023F84F76BEA468EB15801D2834C84BE@D8XYGK1S> <001401c9f9f2$bf78d9e0$3e6a8da0$@net.au> Message-ID: Hi Gina How are you first of all? How is Mac going with his Iphone? I now have mine and I think I am getting there. All this technology is how if feel with Sarah sometimes. I know there is so much information and stuff to access but I just don?t really know how. Anyway I suppose my question to you is what is the best way to get information. I have emailed support and yes they have sent all these links which for my visual brain doesn?t work. Alan now has bought a little ipod which he of course wants me to load etc well I have done that but he also has Hi five and the wiggles along with other music more suitable. I need info on Itunes program like can you select music into files and load some onto one device and others onto others ie my iphone, Sarahs itouch. Al Ipod. Have another clich? being the prologue2 go has downloaded to my iphone but is blank now on sarah itouch Hmmmmmmmmmmm. I think I can cut and past?? Application and put onto her computer (apple). Anyway I am thinking I will ring apple tomorrow. Cheers Jane Jane Warner/Hudson 07 46714737 _____ From: familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com [mailto:familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com] On Behalf Of Family Voices Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 12:22 PM To: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com Subject: Re: FV: Jane technology tips Here?s CHEERS from me too Sarah, you go gettem gal. When is your first day? Jo From: familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com [mailto:familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com] On Behalf Of Family Voices Sent: Wednesday, 1 July 2009 7:26 AM To: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com Subject: Re: FV: Jane technology tips Jane - This is a wonderful opportunity for Sarah. Sometimes things really do fall from the sky and they work out. So, GO SARAH!! We will all be keen to hear how she goes Maureen ----- Original Message ----- From: Family Voices To: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 11:26 PM Subject: FV: Jane technology tips Jane Another software tip for you. Any youtube videos you might like to put on iTunes you can do it with another free progam called Zamzar. Just go to www.ZamZar.com and in the first section enter in the url of the youtube video (copy and paste the address/link) then choose MP4 as your conversion type and your email address. You will be sent an email link to download the video which you can then easily add into the iTunes library. I use it quite a bit for all manner of different bright (crazy) ideas I have. Gina _____ From: familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com [mailto:familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com] On Behalf Of Family Voices Sent: Tuesday, 30 June 2009 8:42 PM To: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com Subject: Re: FV: Jo seeking help Jane It sounds good. Honestly I am finding technology is very much the way to many people?s hearts. I can see some of the senior teachers at Mac?s school looking longingly at his ?gear?, I know they love getting their hands on the iPhone to try and learn it at the moment and they certainly seem like they are keen to learn more. The kids more often than not start sentences with the words ?Mac is so lucky because ? cracks me up. If Sarah is interested in it there is a really cool free program for Mac computers called FluidTunes. Provided her laptop has a built in camera she can move backwards and forwards through her music by waving her arms to make the program work. It is basically a basic version of gesture recognition ? it is pretty mad. Keeping fingers crossed the part time job just works nicely no dramas. Gina _____ From: familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com [mailto:familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com] On Behalf Of Family Voices Sent: Tuesday, 30 June 2009 8:02 PM To: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com Subject: Re: FV: Jo seeking help Hello Ladies, Sarah?s job looks like this: When she turned 16 we went thru the process of getting a DSP which seemed to trigger a chain of events. Then a job assessment by centre link psychologist Hmmmmmmmmm(sorry any psychologist out there). Then Sarah was deemed eligible for supported employment. So we have been having meetings regularly and learning along the way with no expectations. On Thursday she was offered two afternoons a week from 12.30 to 4.30 Tues and Wed. to work at a Community Based org as Girl Friday. She will be employed by the Manager of the organization. The Organization is the only service in town, which has several services under its roof. One is the Supported Employment Agency, where the support worker will come from to support Sarah at work. The org has a Respite service funded by DSQ, Youth and Aged support worker with trainee youth worker who Sarah knows from school 1 year older than Sarah, Drug Arm (who I never see anyone there), Rural Family support Co ord, partime psychologist young women who I like, Social Worker/community development worker another young women with young family vibrant person and numerous other staff admin, support workers etc. It is a new building which has built its reputation up in the community over the last 5 years under new management and committee. The manager is a IT guru and when I told him I was thinking of getting Sarah a apple computer his eyes lit up, I then told him about Ipod touch and communication program which he was very keen to see and work with. YEAH That one just fell out of the sky. AMAZING. He explained that part of Sarah?s job is IT and that she would be working with him directly so who knows. I have had a meeting with the school who were supportive and have rung org and arranged exchange of communication methods that they are using. Have to say I am a bit scared to say too much out loud incase all crumbles down but really I cant see any reason to not give this a go. One thing I have been able to do since coming home from Canada is step back and let people do. Maybe because I have been able to get the words of wisdom from FV and feel safe to share thoughts. Anyway I know this is a journey and no doubt will have its pot holes but I am truly so thrilled for Sarah that people are giving her a go. I am hoping that given the opportunity Sarah will shine. Is quite ironic really when I spoke with school they were thrilled but were concerned because they had organized for Sarah to go to Primary school on a Monday afternoon to do work experience in admin. We will see!! Take care Jane Jane Warner/Hudson 07 46714737 _____ From: familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com [mailto:familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com] On Behalf Of Family Voices Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 3:14 PM To: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com Subject: Re: FV: Jo seeking help Hi Jane, this is fantastic news about Sarah and a job opportunity. What will she be doing? Good on her.. I wish you all well. Maureen ----- Original Message ----- From: Family Voices To: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 2:18 PM Subject: Re: FV: Jo seeking help Hi all Still trying to catch up have now printed off conversations and moving sheets around house to get time to read. But did want to say I too really like the exchange for pension stuff. There is something about having the opportunity to give back and not shoved away because you are getting paid.???? Also to share that Sarah has been offered a job part time, two afternoons a week which will take her out of school. She will be supported by Employment agency. Is such a weird feeling, bit like grade 1, beginning of high school? Happy but I suppose bit scared my god being a mother what a fantastic journey. Sarah is thrilled!! All the best to everyone Jane Warner/Hudson 07 46714737 _____ From: familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com [mailto:familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com] On Behalf Of Family Voices Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 9:52 AM To: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com Subject: Re: FV: Jo seeking help I just wanted to say that I really like the point Maureen makes about the need for contribution in exchange for the pension...that is really cool in terms of creating a sense of accountability/responsibility to contribute. We should do more of that. Jaquie :-) From: familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com [mailto:familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com] On Behalf Of Family Voices Sent: Friday, 26 June 2009 2:53 PM To: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com Subject: Re: FV: Jo seeking help Yes, a sense of worth is the critical and most important outcome. Ben's paid employment for 19 hours/week across five days is complemented with two half days of voluntary work. He is a community bus assistant one afternoon where he assists elderly passengers on and off the bus with their parcels and helps with reshelving in the Library another afternoon. Both these unpaid jobs contribute to his self worth and bring him into contact with community. I don't think working full time in his paid work would work for Ben even if it was offered. The bus job is the one where he feels that he is contributing most and the passengers give him chocolates for Christmas! The job he enjoys most is the Library and I don't know why. Although he enjoys his paid work to a point, it depends on who he is working with. The times it has been difficult are when he has been working with people who have not been supportive or inclusive. He does not verbalise this but when it is happening he gets into some unacceptable behaviour at work and develops some strong obsessive compulsive behaviours. This has been the really hard stuff to work through as work decided that these behaviours are part of his disability and not a result of his environment. There have been many times when I considered him leaving, but knowing the difficulty he would have in getting other activities to fill his day enjoyably, it would add to his feelings of low self esteem. Another activity which adds to his sense of importance is going to his 87 year old grandmother's once a week for dinner and stay the night. He says he goes there to take his grandfather's place and look after her. It has been a great joy to see their relationship develop over the past couple of years as my mother , although loving him dearly, has always thought of him as a little boy with no regard for his adulthood. Now, she looks forward to his stay, spends all day cooking for him (4 courses) and says she has the best night's sleep when he is there. He also brings home a left over meal, which he pointedly says to me the next night "I have my own meal tonight" Love it! The balance is fine at the moment but daren't take my eye off it. Jill Your wise words Miriam are almost exactly what we have here with Lauren. Her voluntary position is as important as any paid position. We have emphasised her pension is given to her and for that she should contribute to the world. She can understand that. She is a happy volunteer, She is actually very proud of it and wouldn't hear of anyone underestimating it. When a paid job comes along it is all a bonus. As for her paid position at the market. She has usually spent the pay before she leaves the market! Talk about "put back!" But it is her money and hard earned. Maureen ----- Original Message ----- From: Family Voices To: family voices Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 2:28 PM Subject: Re: FV: Jo seeking help Jo all these messages to you make me feel really guilty about getting work for Rachel . We did start to go down that journey when she first left school and like many found it all so depressing. The jobs we managed to get her into were tokenism and did not last or were simply things she did not enjoy doing."I am not cleaning out bird cages" and it was all greatly upseting for her. So we took another path. We first of all helped Rachel to understand that she did get a pension each week and therefore was assured of an income. However this was like being paid and she was expected(by us) to be willing to put something back into the community. We did not care what it was but she needed to go out of the house several days a week to do something, This could be a Gym session ,typing and helping with the children at the day care centre, typing for the Salvation army, offering to set up and clear up for a sporting or social club. dance lesson , walking a friends dogs. a TAFE course. It did not matter what it was. Some of these things she needed someone with her and some she did not What was important for us was that she gained a good feeling about giving back and not just taking her pension for granted and doing nothing. The activities she took on were ones which followed her interest and so she was fully committed to them . This enabled her to be welcome in the setting and offered no stress to people requiring her to be paid. As time went by Rachel skills were recognised and from time to time she is paid for work she does and she is delighted. The great thing about this for us and for her is her life is full and we seem never to have to worry about what she will be doing next week.We are however the constant taxi driver and need to be ever vigilant to note the next door waiting to be opened. I do not know if she will ever get a full time paid job but she has learnt about the work ethic and thankfully appraoches each new opportunity with enthusiasm . I am sure this is letting employers off the hook but for Rachel her life is full of work, sometimes very demanding but also rewarding and with no one giving her the charity vote Miriam _____ To: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 12:31:18 +0930 From: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com Subject: Re: FV: Jo seeking help OK about the forwarding my email Jo. You are already doing the positive stuff as the meeting wouldn't have gone the way it did! Maureen's tales reminded me of a situation we had with Ben. He was doing some work experience with a house cleaning team. House cleaning is the least thing he would be interested in doing so it was doomed from the beginning! (another thing to keep in mind......not to set up for failure by doing things that Dan has no interest in). Well, the person in charge rang me to tell me that Ben was not doing at all well and that 'people like him' do best collecting trolleys at supermarkets! He hadn't even met Ben!!!!!! Needless to say the conversation ended very quickly. That person actually apologised about five years later after he heard how well Ben was doing in his job as an admin assistant. When suggestions like this are put forward, I now realise that there is no point into putting effort and time into these people....they are wasting Ben's time. Surround yourself and Dan with people who believe in what you want to achieve and do not have their own agendas. Ben has had his job for 19 years and is taking his second lot of long service leave in August. It hasn't been without its worrying times, but what I now realise is that most of the problems were caused by other people and not by Ben. It is so easy to fall into "it must be the person who has the disability" as the problem and then as the parent, try to fix the problem by trying to 'fix' our son or daughter. It is also good cop out stuff for some people so that they don't have to put in more effort. Hopefully I have learned to be a bit more circumspect. These issues are similar to school issues when inclusion is not the real agenda. It has all been worth every bit of worry, effort etc as Ben's life is so rich with all the contact he has in community and the knowledge that 'ordinary' people have learned from his community presence. Best Wishes Jill On 26/06/2009, at 10:37 AM, Family Voices wrote: Thanks so much Jill and Maureen for your support, I appreciated the stories Maureen of the difficulties and am taking note for future reference, I had to laugh at the possible ?Logging in the Otways? job and can see how ridiculous it can get and how important it is to keep a sense of humour. The agencies here will not support Dan because of his disabilities ? they have all this criteria that he has to fit in to for him to be helped, so have known for many years that we will have to find him jobs ourselves ? I so understand the comment about ?it being too difficult for them?, it?s an internal battle I?ve had for many years, even about the schooling. Am going to make a big effort to take on your advice Jill, to be positive and raise my expectations. They are going to make up Dan?s resume in his IT class, he will be doing it ? they came up with this idea themselves. I think I may have finally gotten the knack of planting seeds in a certain way where they are coming up with the ideas. It?s only taken me 12 years!! I couldn?t believe how the meeting went with the enthusiasm and ideas flowing ? more than I could come up with on my own. I would like to print off your emails to share with school if you are ok with that. Thanks again Jo From: familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com [mailto:familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com] On Behalf Of Family Voices Sent: Friday, 26 June 2009 8:36 AM To: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com Subject: Re: FV: Jo seeking help Hi Jo We have had a fair bit of experience with what you are going through. The CV is a great start, Lauren's interest is film, theatre and TV and celebrities. So we started trying to find a position where she could be involved in something like that. We went totally mainstream, and the only thing that was different from any other young person going for a position is that she had a support worker with her. There are plenty of learning's here. One theatre that she went to took all her information and she filled out "The form"and they said the next step would be a phone interview! Well, that did happen when I wasn't home and, quiet honestly, Lauren sounds more like a 10 year old than an (at the time) 18 year old when she is on the phone. After that they wrote to her and said don't bother EVER applying to our theatre again! She was devastated and so was I. We took a big step back. I have since heard that allot of places do a first interview on the phone and once you get past that you get to the next round. Next theatre Lauren got the position fair and square and the management were most acceptable and actually surprised me at how accepting they were. However, under the manager came the regular staff, who had no idea how to work with someone with a disability. The support worker went with her and she was selling programs at the theatre entrance. The podium she was to stand on was dangerous for her and she had to balance her books! The support worker was on the ball and Lauren was working very hard. However 4 hours on her feet standing on a small platform is physically too much for her and they offered her a job ion the cloakroom. That was fine,only when I went to pick her up she was sitting in what looked like a cupboard! She was so miserable as she had been there for 4 hours and spoken to no one and was terribly concerned she had got things (Peoples belongings) mixed up!I couldn't get her to go back she was so stressed! The support worker couldn't fit in the cupboard so wandered around the theatre. This position was paid a normal wage. However, even though meagre, I had to report it to Centrelink every fortnight, even if she didn't get a shift and it never incringed on her pension. I was so worried about phoning them on the right day at the right time, it became a big bug bare! I did it and hated it. Lauren couldn't possibly manage that part of it so it all became my responsibility and I am trying to step back out of her life not take on more responsibility. So just be aware of the Centrelink responsibility. The learning's in this experience is, that we should have supported the organization better and perhaps they could have supported Lauren better. I always felt the management wanted to but didn't know how, and I wasn't confident enough to approach them - I kept thinking that Lauren would be too difficult for them so they wouldn't take her on. I think I was wrong. I could go on and on and on Jo. We have had 7 years of interviews and let downs and it has been terribly difficult to keep Lauren's morale high. She was offered a traineeship through a government job seeking organization. The young woman who was assisting Lauren to find a job would get Lauren all excited every Monday when the jobs were given to the organization. Lauren would always phone me from the place with much excitement about working at McDonalds clearing tables or Hungry Jacks serving customers (All things she couldn't physically do) and then one day in much excitement she was told she was eligible for a traineeship and it was for "Logging in the Otways"...I very calmly spoke to the young woman who was helping Lauren and explained Lauren can't use a chainsaw. The young lady had no idea what "Logging in the Otways"meant. - in case you don't know what the Otways is, it is a mountain range near the great ocean road in Victoria. I am only telling you this Jo, because if we didn't keep a sense of humour we would have gone in sane during our efforts to assist Lauren. After the chainsaw incident, we took Lauren away from the organization and went it alone completely. It was allot of hard work for me. Lauren had work experience at a video store when she was at school. Infact she had three lots of work experience at three different stores and she was very good at re winding videos and selecting the movies for in house and dusting shelves. I drove some video organizations mad with "Please let her work here!"requests. Video Easy put an interesting flyer in our letterbox that looked like a wanted poster. At the time they were looking for customers. We have a printing business, so I took it to work and made it look like a wanted poster for Lauren looking for a job at Video Easy and I sent it back to their head office and every video easy store near our home. I thought it was very clever, but no one from Video Easy answered the request! I spoke for hours to the HR people at Blockbuster. I got them all sorts of information about employing people with a disability. Lauren would be very happy working one shift a week. That's probably all she could have done. I was told they don't promise any of their staff a shift so it would be discrimination against all the other employees!! She now has a voluntary position as an usher in a cinema. She loves it. She is very valued by the organization she works for and she has flexibility around her health and her ability. She also has a paid job at a farmers market where she works in the citrus stall handing out samples of fruit and making orange juice. She is learning to serve customers. That is only once a month. I could go on and on....some good people, some terrible, some really "get it"others haven't got a clue. Now Lauren is 8 years out of school, what I notice around the group of friends who left school at the same time is..The ones who's parents have really assisted with job hunting, have got somewhere, and those who's parents can't find the time to assist them and go to interviews with them, well, those young ones are still on the "job training wheel" or work in disability training programs or the workshops type places. No one comes knocking at your door saying "I have a job for Dan" you have to be out there and searching for it. So my suggestion is..........Be creative, make sure he has good support, make sure the organization he works with are well supported too, and that their staff are patient and caring. Try not to let all the knockbacks get you down and I hope you don't have too many of them. Good luck Jo. It's a long and interesting road. Maureen ----- Original Message ----- From: Family Voices To: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 8:09 AM Subject: FV: Jo seeking help Hi There Everyone, I had a meeting with the school today about Daniels Work Placement (used to be called Work Experience when I was at school). Anyhow they want to do up a Resume with Daniel in IT ? lots of photos of Dan doing things that could potentially fit in with a work situation. When the Resume is complete Daniel and his Aide will take it around to businesses we have identified as being suitable places for him to work. During the meeting I said that I felt it?s important we use the right language and that we don?t set Daniel up to be a charitable project. I said that some people may initially have Daniel work for them for charitable reasons but if we use positive language along with them getting to know Dan this attitude has potential to shift as I have seen occur in other areas of his life. The people I met with today were really keen to understand the correct language to use when introducing Dan to potential employers and asked me to provide them with information. I am still struggling with the correct language myself and would love it if you could suggest ways of how we first introduce Dan and so on. If anyone has done a Resume and wouldn?t mind sharing we would find it very useful. And anything else you can think of to help Dan expand his work experience. Looking forward to hearing from you. Jo __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4188 (20090625) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com _____ Let us help with car news, reviews and more Looking for a new car this winter? Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.12.93/2206 - Release Date: 06/28/09 17:54:00 _____ I am using the Free version of SPAMfighter . 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Send me an email on GinaWB at internode.on.net and we can work it out. Gina . On 12/07/2009, at 5:05 PM, Family Voices wrote: > Hi Gina > > How are you first of all? How is Mac going with his Iphone? I now > have mine and I think I am getting there. All this technology is > how if feel with Sarah sometimes. > I know there is so much information and stuff to access but I just > don?t really know how. > > Anyway I suppose my question to you is what is the best way to get > information. I have emailed support and yes they have sent all > these links which for my visual brain doesn?t work. Alan now has > bought a little ipod which he of course wants me to load etc well I > have done that but he also has Hi five and the wiggles along with > other music more suitable. I need info on Itunes program like can > you select music into files and load some onto one device and > others onto others ie my iphone, Sarahs itouch. Al Ipod. > > Have another clich? being the prologue2 go has downloaded to my > iphone but is blank now on sarah itouch Hmmmmmmmmmmm. I think I > can cut and past?? Application and put onto her computer (apple). > Anyway I am thinking I will ring apple tomorrow. > > Cheers Jane > > Jane Warner/Hudson > > 07 46714737 > > From: familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com > [mailto:familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com] On Behalf Of > Family Voices > Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 12:22 PM > To: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com > Subject: Re: FV: Jane technology tips > > Here?s CHEERS from me too Sarah, you go gettem gal. When is your > first day? > Jo > > From: familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com > [mailto:familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com] On Behalf Of > Family Voices > Sent: Wednesday, 1 July 2009 7:26 AM > To: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com > Subject: Re: FV: Jane technology tips > > Jane - This is a wonderful opportunity for Sarah. Sometimes things > really do fall from the sky and they work out. So, GO SARAH!! > We will all be keen to hear how she goes > Maureen > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Family Voices > To: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com > Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 11:26 PM > Subject: FV: Jane technology tips > > Jane > Another software tip for you. > > Any youtube videos you might like to put on iTunes you can do it > with another free progam called Zamzar. Just go to www.ZamZar.com > and in the first section enter in the url of the youtube video > (copy and paste the address/link) then choose MP4 as your > conversion type and your email address. You will be sent an email > link to download the video which you can then easily add into the > iTunes library. > > I use it quite a bit for all manner of different bright (crazy) > ideas I have. > > Gina > From: familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com > [mailto:familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com] On Behalf Of > Family Voices > Sent: Tuesday, 30 June 2009 8:42 PM > To: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com > Subject: Re: FV: Jo seeking help > > Jane > It sounds good. > Honestly I am finding technology is very much the way to many > people?s hearts. I can see some of the senior teachers at Mac?s > school looking longingly at his ?gear?, I know they love getting > their hands on the iPhone to try and learn it at the moment and > they certainly seem like they are keen to learn more. > > The kids more often than not start sentences with the words ?Mac is > so lucky because?? cracks me up. > > If Sarah is interested in it there is a really cool free program > for Mac computers called FluidTunes. Provided her laptop has a > built in camera she can move backwards and forwards through her > music by waving her arms to make the program work. It is basically > a basic version of gesture recognition ? it is pretty mad. > > Keeping fingers crossed the part time job just works nicely no dramas. > > Gina > From: familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com > [mailto:familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com] On Behalf Of > Family Voices > Sent: Tuesday, 30 June 2009 8:02 PM > To: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com > Subject: Re: FV: Jo seeking help > > Hello Ladies, > > Sarah?s job looks like this: When she turned 16 we went thru the > process of getting a DSP which seemed to trigger a chain of > events. Then a job assessment by centre link psychologist > Hmmmmmmmmm(sorry any psychologist out there). Then Sarah was > deemed eligible for supported employment. So we have been having > meetings regularly and learning along the way with no expectations. > > On Thursday she was offered two afternoons a week from 12.30 to > 4.30 Tues and Wed. to work at a Community Based org as Girl > Friday. She will be employed by the Manager of the organization. > The Organization is the only service in town, which has several > services under its roof. One is the Supported Employment Agency, > where the support worker will come from to support Sarah at work. > > The org has a Respite service funded by DSQ, Youth and Aged support > worker with trainee youth worker who Sarah knows from school 1 year > older than Sarah, Drug Arm (who I never see anyone there), Rural > Family support Co ord, partime psychologist young women who I like, > Social Worker/community development worker another young women with > young family vibrant person and numerous other staff admin, support > workers etc. It is a new building which has built its reputation > up in the community over the last 5 years under new management and > committee. > > The manager is a IT guru and when I told him I was thinking of > getting Sarah a apple computer his eyes lit up, I then told him > about Ipod touch and communication program which he was very keen > to see and work with. YEAH That one just fell out of the sky. > AMAZING. He explained that part of Sarah?s job is IT and that she > would be working with him directly so who knows. I have had a > meeting with the school who were supportive and have rung org and > arranged exchange of communication methods that they are using. > Have to say I am a bit scared to say too much out loud incase all > crumbles down but really I cant see any reason to not give this a go. > One thing I have been able to do since coming home from Canada is > step back and let people do. Maybe because I have been able to get > the words of wisdom from FV and feel safe to share thoughts. > > Anyway I know this is a journey and no doubt will have its pot > holes but I am truly so thrilled for Sarah that people are giving > her a go. I am hoping that given the opportunity Sarah will shine. > > Is quite ironic really when I spoke with school they were thrilled > but were concerned because they had organized for Sarah to go to > Primary school on a Monday afternoon to do work experience in > admin. We will see!! > > Take care Jane > > > > > > Jane Warner/Hudson > > 07 46714737 > > From: familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com > [mailto:familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com] On Behalf Of > Family Voices > Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 3:14 PM > To: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com > Subject: Re: FV: Jo seeking help > > Hi Jane, this is fantastic news about Sarah and a job opportunity. > What will she be doing? > Good on her.. I wish you all well. Maureen > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Family Voices > To: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com > Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 2:18 PM > Subject: Re: FV: Jo seeking help > > Hi all > Still trying to catch up have now printed off conversations and > moving sheets around house to get time to read. > > But did want to say I too really like the exchange for pension > stuff. There is something about having the opportunity to give > back and not shoved away because you are getting paid.???? > > Also to share that Sarah has been offered a job part time, two > afternoons a week which will take her out of school. She will be > supported by Employment agency. Is such a weird feeling, bit like > grade 1, beginning of high school? Happy but I suppose bit scared > my god being a mother what a fantastic journey. > > Sarah is thrilled!! > > All the best to everyone > > Jane Warner/Hudson > > 07 46714737 > > From: familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com > [mailto:familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com] On Behalf Of > Family Voices > Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 9:52 AM > To: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com > Subject: Re: FV: Jo seeking help > > I just wanted to say that I really like the point Maureen makes > about the need for contribution in exchange for the pension...that > is really cool in terms of creating a sense of accountability/ > responsibility to contribute. We should do more of that. > > Jaquie J > > From: familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com > [mailto:familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com] On Behalf Of > Family Voices > Sent: Friday, 26 June 2009 2:53 PM > To: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com > Subject: Re: FV: Jo seeking help > > > Yes, a sense of worth is the critical and most important outcome. > Ben's paid employment for 19 hours/week across five days is > complemented with two half days of voluntary work. He is a > community bus assistant one afternoon where he assists elderly > passengers on and off the bus with their parcels and helps with > reshelving in the Library another afternoon. Both these unpaid > jobs contribute to his self worth and bring him into contact with > community. I don't think working full time in his paid work would > work for Ben even if it was offered. The bus job is the one where > he feels that he is contributing most and the passengers give him > chocolates for Christmas! The job he enjoys most is the Library > and I don't know why. Although he enjoys his paid work to a > point, it depends on who he is working with. The times it has been > difficult are when he has been working with people who have not > been supportive or inclusive. He does not verbalise this but when > it is happening he gets into some unacceptable behaviour at work > and develops some strong obsessive compulsive behaviours. This has > been the really hard stuff to work through as work decided that > these behaviours are part of his disability and not a result of his > environment. There have been many times when I considered him > leaving, but knowing the difficulty he would have in getting other > activities to fill his day enjoyably, it would add to his feelings > of low self esteem. Another activity which adds to his sense of > importance is going to his 87 year old grandmother's once a week > for dinner and stay the night. He says he goes there to take his > grandfather's place and look after her. It has been a great joy to > see their relationship develop over the past couple of years as my > mother , although loving him dearly, has always thought of him as > a little boy with no regard for his adulthood. Now, she looks > forward to his stay, spends all day cooking for him (4 courses) and > says she has the best night's sleep when he is there. He also > brings home a left over meal, which he pointedly says to me the > next night "I have my own meal tonight" Love it! The balance is > fine at the moment but daren't take my eye off it. > Jill > > > > > Your wise words Miriam are almost exactly what we have here with > Lauren. > Her voluntary position is as important as any paid position. We > have emphasised her pension is given to her and for that she should > contribute to the world. She can understand that. She is a happy > volunteer, She is actually very proud of it and wouldn't hear of > anyone underestimating it. When a paid job comes along it is all a > bonus. > As for her paid position at the market. She has usually spent the > pay before she leaves the market! Talk about "put back!" > But it is her money and hard earned. > Maureen > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Family Voices > To: family voices > Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 2:28 PM > Subject: Re: FV: Jo seeking help > > Jo all these messages to you make me feel really guilty about > getting work for Rachel . We did start to go down that journey when > she first left school and like many found it all so depressing. The > jobs we managed to get her into were tokenism and did not last or > were simply things she did not enjoy doing."I am not cleaning out > bird cages" and it was all greatly upseting for her. > So we took another path. We first of all helped Rachel to > understand that she did get a pension each week and therefore was > assured of an income. However this was like being paid and she was > expected(by us) to be willing to put something back into the > community. > We did not care what it was but she needed to go out of the house > several days a week to do something, This could be a Gym > session ,typing and helping with the children at the day care > centre, typing for the Salvation army, offering to set up and clear > up for a sporting or social club. dance lesson , walking a friends > dogs. a TAFE course. It did not matter what it was. Some of these > things she needed someone with her and some she did not > What was important for us was that she gained a good feeling about > giving back and not just taking her pension for granted and doing > nothing. > The activities she took on were ones which followed her interest > and so she was fully committed to them . This enabled her to be > welcome in the setting and offered no stress to people requiring > her to be paid. > As time went by Rachel skills were recognised and from time to time > she is paid for work she does and she is delighted. The great thing > about this for us and for her is her life is full and we seem never > to have to worry about what she will be doing next week.We are > however the constant taxi driver and need to be ever vigilant to > note the next door waiting to be opened. > I do not know if she will ever get a full time paid job but she has > learnt about the work ethic and thankfully appraoches each new > opportunity with enthusiasm . > I am sure this is letting employers off the hook but for Rachel her > life is full of work, sometimes very demanding but also rewarding > and with no one giving her the charity vote > Miriam > > To: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com > Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 12:31:18 +0930 > From: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com > Subject: Re: FV: Jo seeking help > > OK about the forwarding my email Jo. You are already doing the > positive stuff as the meeting wouldn't have gone the way it did! > Maureen's tales reminded me of a situation we had with Ben. He was > doing some work experience with a house cleaning team. House > cleaning is the least thing he would be interested in doing so it > was doomed from the beginning! (another thing to keep in > mind......not to set up for failure by doing things that Dan has no > interest in). Well, the person in charge rang me to tell me that > Ben was not doing at all well and that 'people like him' do best > collecting trolleys at supermarkets! He hadn't even met Ben!!!!!! > Needless to say the conversation ended very quickly. That person > actually apologised about five years later after he heard how well > Ben was doing in his job as an admin assistant. When suggestions > like this are put forward, I now realise that there is no point > into putting effort and time into these people....they are wasting > Ben's time. Surround yourself and Dan with people who believe in > what you want to achieve and do not have their own agendas. Ben > has had his job for 19 years and is taking his second lot of long > service leave in August. It hasn't been without its worrying > times, but what I now realise is that most of the problems were > caused by other people and not by Ben. It is so easy to fall into > "it must be the person who has the disability" as the problem and > then as the parent, try to fix the problem by trying to 'fix' our > son or daughter. It is also good cop out stuff for some people so > that they don't have to put in more effort. Hopefully I have > learned to be a bit more circumspect. These issues are similar to > school issues when inclusion is not the real agenda. It has all > been worth every bit of worry, effort etc as Ben's life is so rich > with all the contact he has in community and the knowledge that > 'ordinary' people have learned from his community presence. > Best Wishes > Jill > On 26/06/2009, at 10:37 AM, Family Voices wrote: > > Thanks so much Jill and Maureen for your support, I appreciated the > stories Maureen of the difficulties and am taking note for future > reference, I had to laugh at the possible ?Logging in the Otways? > job and can see how ridiculous it can get and how important it is > to keep a sense of humour. The agencies here will not support Dan > because of his disabilities ? they have all this criteria that he > has to fit in to for him to be helped, so have known for many years > that we will have to find him jobs ourselves ? I so understand the > comment about ?it being too difficult for them?, it?s an internal > battle I?ve had for many years, even about the schooling. Am going > to make a big effort to take on your advice Jill, to be positive > and raise my expectations. > > They are going to make up Dan?s resume in his IT class, he will be > doing it ? they came up with this idea themselves. I think I may > have finally gotten the knack of planting seeds in a certain way > where they are coming up with the ideas. It?s only taken me 12 > years!! I couldn?t believe how the meeting went with the > enthusiasm and ideas flowing ? more than I could come up with on my > own. > > I would like to print off your emails to share with school if you > are ok with that. > > Thanks again > Jo > > From: familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com > [mailto:familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com] On Behalf Of > Family Voices > Sent: Friday, 26 June 2009 8:36 AM > To: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com > Subject: Re: FV: Jo seeking help > > Hi Jo > We have had a fair bit of experience with what you are going through. > The CV is a great start, > Lauren's interest is film, theatre and TV and celebrities. > So we started trying to find a position where she could be involved > in something like that. > We went totally mainstream, and the only thing that was different > from any other young person going for a position is that she had a > support worker with her. > There are plenty of learning's here. > One theatre that she went to took all her information and she > filled out "The form"and they said the next step would be a phone > interview! Well, that did happen when I wasn't home and, quiet > honestly, Lauren sounds more like a 10 year old than an (at the > time) 18 year old when she is on the phone. After that they wrote > to her and said don't bother EVER applying to our theatre again! > She was devastated and so was I. We took a big step back. I have > since heard that allot of places do a first interview on the phone > and once you get past that you get to the next round. > > Next theatre Lauren got the position fair and square and the > management were most acceptable and actually surprised me at how > accepting they were. However, under the manager came the regular > staff, who had no idea how to work with someone with a disability. > The support worker went with her and she was selling programs at > the theatre entrance. The podium she was to stand on was dangerous > for her and she had to balance her books! The support worker was on > the ball and Lauren was working very hard. However 4 hours on her > feet standing on a small platform is physically too much for her > and they offered her a job ion the cloakroom. That was fine,only > when I went to pick her up she was sitting in what looked like a > cupboard! She was so miserable as she had been there for 4 hours > and spoken to no one and was terribly concerned she had got things > (Peoples belongings) mixed up!I couldn't get her to go back she was > so stressed! The support worker couldn't fit in the cupboard so > wandered around the theatre. > > This position was paid a normal wage. > However, even though meagre, I had to report it to Centrelink every > fortnight, even if she didn't get a shift and it never incringed on > her pension. > I was so worried about phoning them on the right day at the right > time, it became a big bug bare! I did it and hated it. Lauren > couldn't possibly manage that part of it so it all became my > responsibility and I am trying to step back out of her life not > take on more responsibility. So just be aware of the Centrelink > responsibility. > The learning's in this experience is, that we should have supported > the organization better and perhaps they could have supported > Lauren better. I always felt the management wanted to but didn't > know how, and I wasn't confident enough to approach them - I kept > thinking that Lauren would be too difficult for them so they > wouldn't take her on. I think I was wrong. > > I could go on and on and on Jo. > We have had 7 years of interviews and let downs and it has been > terribly difficult to keep Lauren's morale high. > > She was offered a traineeship through a government job seeking > organization. The young woman who was assisting Lauren to find a > job would get Lauren all excited every Monday when the jobs were > given to the organization. Lauren would always phone me from the > place with much excitement about working at McDonalds clearing > tables or Hungry Jacks serving customers (All things she couldn't > physically do) and then one day in much excitement she was told she > was eligible for a traineeship and it was for "Logging in the > Otways"...I very calmly spoke to the young woman who was helping > Lauren and explained Lauren can't use a chainsaw. The young lady > had no idea what "Logging in the Otways"meant. - in case you don't > know what the Otways is, it is a mountain range near the great > ocean road in Victoria. > I am only telling you this Jo, because if we didn't keep a sense of > humour we would have gone in sane during our efforts to assist Lauren. > After the chainsaw incident, we took Lauren away from the > organization and went it alone completely. > > It was allot of hard work for me. > > Lauren had work experience at a video store when she was at school. > Infact she had three lots of work experience at three different > stores and she was very good at re winding videos and selecting the > movies for in house and dusting shelves. > > I drove some video organizations mad with "Please let her work > here!"requests. > Video Easy put an interesting flyer in our letterbox that looked > like a wanted poster. At the time they were looking for customers. > We have a printing business, so I took it to work and made it look > like a wanted poster for Lauren looking for a job at Video Easy and > I sent it back to their head office and every video easy store near > our home. I thought it was very clever, but no one from Video Easy > answered the request! > > I spoke for hours to the HR people at Blockbuster. I got them all > sorts of information about employing people with a disability. > Lauren would be very happy working one shift a week. That's > probably all she could have done. I was told they don't promise any > of their staff a shift so it would be discrimination against all > the other employees!! > > > She now has a voluntary position as an usher in a cinema. She loves > it. She is very valued by the organization she works for and she > has flexibility around her health and her ability. > She also has a paid job at a farmers market where she works in the > citrus stall handing out samples of fruit and making orange juice. > She is learning to serve customers. That is only once a month. > > I could go on and on....some good people, some terrible, some > really "get it"others haven't got a clue. > > Now Lauren is 8 years out of school, what I notice around the group > of friends who left school at the same time is..The ones who's > parents have really assisted with job hunting, have got somewhere, > and those who's parents can't find the time to assist them and go > to interviews with them, well, those young ones are still on the > "job training wheel" or work in disability training programs or the > workshops type places. > > No one comes knocking at your door saying "I have a job for Dan" > you have to be out there and searching for it. > > So my suggestion is..........Be creative, make sure he has good > support, make sure the organization he works with are well > supported too, and that their staff are patient and caring. Try not > to let all the knockbacks get you down and I hope you don't have > too many of them. > > Good luck Jo. > It's a long and interesting road. > Maureen > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Family Voices > To: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com > Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 8:09 AM > Subject: FV: Jo seeking help > > Hi There Everyone, > > I had a meeting with the school today about Daniels Work Placement > (used to be called Work Experience when I was at school). Anyhow > they want to do up a Resume with Daniel in IT ? lots of photos of > Dan doing things that could potentially fit in with a work > situation. When the Resume is complete Daniel and his Aide will > take it around to businesses we have identified as being suitable > places for him to work. > > During the meeting I said that I felt it?s important we use the > right language and that we don?t set Daniel up to be a charitable > project. I said that some people may initially have Daniel work > for them for charitable reasons but if we use positive language > along with them getting to know Dan this attitude has potential to > shift as I have seen occur in other areas of his life. The people > I met with today were really keen to understand the correct > language to use when introducing Dan to potential employers and > asked me to provide them with information. I am still struggling > with the correct language myself and would love it if you could > suggest ways of how we first introduce Dan and so on. If anyone > has done a Resume and wouldn?t mind sharing we would find it very > useful. 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URL: From familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com Sun Jul 12 03:00:27 2009 From: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com (Family Voices) Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 20:00:27 +1000 Subject: FV: Jane technology tips In-Reply-To: <47123C80-1DFB-4E46-88A8-3E8B052C9D8D@bigpond.com> References: <7v2k17$c9l6k1@ipmail05.adl2.internode.on.net><023F84F76BEA468EB15801D2834C84BE@D8XYGK1S> <001401c9f9f2$bf78d9e0$3e6a8da0$@net.au> <47123C80-1DFB-4E46-88A8-3E8B052C9D8D@bigpond.com> Message-ID: Hi Gina Would be great to skype when is a good time for you? Sent from my iPhone On Jul 12, 2009, at 6:17 PM, Family Voices wrote: > I think I can help you out with some of that. > > Do you want to skype at some stage? > > Send me an email on GinaWB at internode.on.net and we can work it out. > > Gina > . > > > On 12/07/2009, at 5:05 PM, Family Voices wrote: > >> Hi Gina >> >> How are you first of all? How is Mac going with his Iphone? I now >> have mine and I think I am getting there. All this technology is >> how if feel with Sarah sometimes. >> I know there is so much information and stuff to access but I just >> don?t really know how. >> >> Anyway I suppose my question to you is what is the best way to get >> information. I have emailed support and yes they have sent all >> these links which for my visual brain doesn?t work. Alan now has >> bought a little ipod which he of course wants me to load etc well >> I have done that but he also has Hi five and the wiggles along wit >> h other music more suitable. I need info on Itunes program like c >> an you select music into files and load some onto one device and o >> thers onto others ie my iphone, Sarahs itouch. Al Ipod. >> >> Have another clich? being the prologue2 go has downloaded to my ip >> hone but is blank now on sarah itouch Hmmmmmmmmmmm. I think I can >> cut and past?? Application and put onto her computer (apple). An >> yway I am thinking I will ring apple tomorrow. >> >> Cheers Jane >> >> Jane Warner/Hudson >> >> 07 46714737 >> >> From: familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com >> [mailto:familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com] On Behalf Of >> Family Voices >> Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 12:22 PM >> To: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com >> Subject: Re: FV: Jane technology tips >> >> Here?s CHEERS from me too Sarah, you go gettem gal. When is your >> first day? >> Jo >> >> From: familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com >> [mailto:familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com] On Behalf Of >> Family Voices >> Sent: Wednesday, 1 July 2009 7:26 AM >> To: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com >> Subject: Re: FV: Jane technology tips >> >> Jane - This is a wonderful opportunity for Sarah. Sometimes things >> really do fall from the sky and they work out. So, GO SARAH!! >> We will all be keen to hear how she goes >> Maureen >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Family Voices >> To: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com >> Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 11:26 PM >> Subject: FV: Jane technology tips >> >> Jane >> Another software tip for you. >> >> Any youtube videos you might like to put on iTunes you can do it >> with another free progam called Zamzar. Just go to www.ZamZar.com >> and in the first section enter in the url of the youtube video >> (copy and paste the address/link) then choose MP4 as your >> conversion type and your email address. You will be sent an email >> link to download the video which you can then easily add into the >> iTunes library. >> >> I use it quite a bit for all manner of different bright (crazy) >> ideas I have. >> >> Gina >> From: familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com >> [mailto:familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com] On Behalf Of >> Family Voices >> Sent: Tuesday, 30 June 2009 8:42 PM >> To: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com >> Subject: Re: FV: Jo seeking help >> >> Jane >> It sounds good. >> Honestly I am finding technology is very much the way to many peop >> le?s hearts. I can see some of the senior teachers at Mac?s >> school looking longingly at his ?gear?, I know they love getting >> their hands on the iPhone to try and learn it at the moment and th >> ey certainly seem like they are keen to learn more. >> >> The kids more often than not start sentences with the words ?Mac i >> s so lucky because?? cracks me up. >> >> If Sarah is interested in it there is a really cool free program >> for Mac computers called FluidTunes. Provided her laptop has a >> built in camera she can move backwards and forwards through her >> music by waving her arms to make the program work. It is basically >> a basic version of gesture recognition ? it is pretty mad. >> >> Keeping fingers crossed the part time job just works nicely no >> dramas. >> >> Gina >> From: familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com >> [mailto:familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com] On Behalf Of >> Family Voices >> Sent: Tuesday, 30 June 2009 8:02 PM >> To: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com >> Subject: Re: FV: Jo seeking help >> >> Hello Ladies, >> >> Sarah?s job looks like this: When she turned 16 we went thru the >> process of getting a DSP which seemed to trigger a chain of events >> . Then a job assessment by centre link psychologist Hmmmmmmmmm >> (sorry any psychologist out there). Then Sarah was deemed eligibl >> e for supported employment. So we have been having meetings regul >> arly and learning along the way with no expectations. >> >> On Thursday she was offered two afternoons a week from 12.30 to >> 4.30 Tues and Wed. to work at a Community Based org as Girl >> Friday. She will be employed by the Manager of the organization. >> The Organization is the only service in town, which has several >> services under its roof. One is the Supported Employment Agency, >> where the support worker will come from to support Sarah at work. >> >> The org has a Respite service funded by DSQ, Youth and Aged support >> worker with trainee youth worker who Sarah knows from school 1 year >> older than Sarah, Drug Arm (who I never see anyone there), Rural >> Family support Co ord, partime psychologist young women who I like, >> Social Worker/community development worker another young women with >> young family vibrant person and numerous other staff admin, support >> workers etc. It is a new building which has built its reputation >> up in the community over the last 5 years under new management and >> committee. >> >> The manager is a IT guru and when I told him I was thinking of >> getting Sarah a apple computer his eyes lit up, I then told him >> about Ipod touch and communication program which he was very keen >> to see and work with. YEAH That one just fell out of the sky. >> AMAZING. He explained that part of Sarah?s job is IT and that she >> would be working with him directly so who knows. I have had a me >> eting with the school who were supportive and have rung org and ar >> ranged exchange of communication methods that they are using. Hav >> e to say I am a bit scared to say too much out loud incase all cru >> mbles down but really I cant see any reason to not give this a go. >> One thing I have been able to do since coming home from Canada is >> step back and let people do. Maybe because I have been able to get >> the words of wisdom from FV and feel safe to share thoughts. >> >> Anyway I know this is a journey and no doubt will have its pot >> holes but I am truly so thrilled for Sarah that people are giving >> her a go. I am hoping that given the opportunity Sarah will shine. >> >> Is quite ironic really when I spoke with school they were thrilled >> but were concerned because they had organized for Sarah to go to >> Primary school on a Monday afternoon to do work experience in >> admin. We will see!! >> >> Take care Jane >> >> >> >> >> >> Jane Warner/Hudson >> >> 07 46714737 >> >> From: familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com >> [mailto:familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com] On Behalf Of >> Family Voices >> Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 3:14 PM >> To: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com >> Subject: Re: FV: Jo seeking help >> >> Hi Jane, this is fantastic news about Sarah and a job opportunity. >> What will she be doing? >> Good on her.. I wish you all well. Maureen >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Family Voices >> To: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com >> Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 2:18 PM >> Subject: Re: FV: Jo seeking help >> >> Hi all >> Still trying to catch up have now printed off conversations and >> moving sheets around house to get time to read. >> >> But did want to say I too really like the exchange for pension >> stuff. There is something about having the opportunity to give >> back and not shoved away because you are getting paid.???? >> >> Also to share that Sarah has been offered a job part time, two >> afternoons a week which will take her out of school. She will be >> supported by Employment agency. Is such a weird feeling, bit like >> grade 1, beginning of high school? Happy but I suppose bit scared >> my god being a mother what a fantastic journey. >> >> Sarah is thrilled!! >> >> All the best to everyone >> >> Jane Warner/Hudson >> >> 07 46714737 >> >> From: familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com >> [mailto:familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com] On Behalf Of >> Family Voices >> Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 9:52 AM >> To: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com >> Subject: Re: FV: Jo seeking help >> >> I just wanted to say that I really like the point Maureen makes >> about the need for contribution in exchange for the pension...that >> is really cool in terms of creating a sense of accountability/ >> responsibility to contribute. We should do more of that. >> >> Jaquie J >> >> From: familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com >> [mailto:familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com] On Behalf Of >> Family Voices >> Sent: Friday, 26 June 2009 2:53 PM >> To: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com >> Subject: Re: FV: Jo seeking help >> >> >> Yes, a sense of worth is the critical and most important outcome. >> Ben's paid employment for 19 hours/week across five days is >> complemented with two half days of voluntary work. He is a >> community bus assistant one afternoon where he assists elderly >> passengers on and off the bus with their parcels and helps with >> reshelving in the Library another afternoon. Both these unpaid >> jobs contribute to his self worth and bring him into contact with >> community. I don't think working full time in his paid work would >> work for Ben even if it was offered. The bus job is the one where >> he feels that he is contributing most and the passengers give him >> chocolates for Christmas! The job he enjoys most is the Library >> and I don't know why. Although he enjoys his paid work to a >> point, it depends on who he is working with. The times it has been >> difficult are when he has been working with people who have not >> been supportive or inclusive. He does not verbalise this but when >> it is happening he gets into some unacceptable behaviour at work >> and develops some strong obsessive compulsive behaviours. This has >> been the really hard stuff to work through as work decided that >> these behaviours are part of his disability and not a result of his >> environment. There have been many times when I considered him >> leaving, but knowing the difficulty he would have in getting other >> activities to fill his day enjoyably, it would add to his feelings >> of low self esteem. Another activity which adds to his sense of >> importance is going to his 87 year old grandmother's once a week >> for dinner and stay the night. He says he goes there to take his >> grandfather's place and look after her. It has been a great joy to >> see their relationship develop over the past couple of years as my >> mother , although loving him dearly, has always thought of him as >> a little boy with no regard for his adulthood. Now, she looks >> forward to his stay, spends all day cooking for him (4 courses) and >> says she has the best night's sleep when he is there. He also >> brings home a left over meal, which he pointedly says to me the >> next night "I have my own meal tonight" Love it! The balance is >> fine at the moment but daren't take my eye off it. >> Jill >> >> >> >> >> Your wise words Miriam are almost exactly what we have here with >> Lauren. >> Her voluntary position is as important as any paid position. We >> have emphasised her pension is given to her and for that she should >> contribute to the world. She can understand that. She is a happy >> volunteer, She is actually very proud of it and wouldn't hear of >> anyone underestimating it. When a paid job comes along it is all a >> bonus. >> As for her paid position at the market. She has usually spent the >> pay before she leaves the market! Talk about "put back!" >> But it is her money and hard earned. >> Maureen >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Family Voices >> To: family voices >> Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 2:28 PM >> Subject: Re: FV: Jo seeking help >> >> Jo all these messages to you make me feel really guilty about >> getting work for Rachel . We did start to go down that journey when >> she first left school and like many found it all so depressing. The >> jobs we managed to get her into were tokenism and did not last or >> were simply things she did not enjoy doing."I am not cleaning out >> bird cages" and it was all greatly upseting for her. >> So we took another path. We first of all helped Rachel to >> understand that she did get a pension each week and therefore was >> assured of an income. However this was like being paid and she was >> expected(by us) to be willing to put something back into the >> community. >> We did not care what it was but she needed to go out of the house >> several days a week to do something, This could be a Gym >> session ,typing and helping with the children at the day care >> centre, typing for the Salvation army, offering to set up and clear >> up for a sporting or social club. dance lesson , walking a friends >> dogs. a TAFE course. It did not matter what it was. Some of these >> things she needed someone with her and some she did not >> What was important for us was that she gained a good feeling about >> giving back and not just taking her pension for granted and doing >> nothing. >> The activities she took on were ones which followed her interest >> and so she was fully committed to them . This enabled her to be >> welcome in the setting and offered no stress to people requiring >> her to be paid. >> As time went by Rachel skills were recognised and from time to time >> she is paid for work she does and she is delighted. The great thing >> about this for us and for her is her life is full and we seem never >> to have to worry about what she will be doing next week.We are >> however the constant taxi driver and need to be ever vigilant to >> note the next door waiting to be opened. >> I do not know if she will ever get a full time paid job but she has >> learnt about the work ethic and thankfully appraoches each new >> opportunity with enthusiasm . >> I am sure this is letting employers off the hook but for Rachel her >> life is full of work, sometimes very demanding but also rewarding >> and with no one giving her the charity vote >> Miriam >> >> To: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com >> Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 12:31:18 +0930 >> From: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com >> Subject: Re: FV: Jo seeking help >> >> OK about the forwarding my email Jo. You are already doing the >> positive stuff as the meeting wouldn't have gone the way it did! >> Maureen's tales reminded me of a situation we had with Ben. He was >> doing some work experience with a house cleaning team. House >> cleaning is the least thing he would be interested in doing so it >> was doomed from the beginning! (another thing to keep in >> mind......not to set up for failure by doing things that Dan has no >> interest in). Well, the person in charge rang me to tell me that >> Ben was not doing at all well and that 'people like him' do best >> collecting trolleys at supermarkets! He hadn't even met Ben!!!!!! >> Needless to say the conversation ended very quickly. That person >> actually apologised about five years later after he heard how well >> Ben was doing in his job as an admin assistant. When suggestions >> like this are put forward, I now realise that there is no point >> into putting effort and time into these people....they are wasting >> Ben's time. Surround yourself and Dan with people who believe in >> what you want to achieve and do not have their own agendas. Ben >> has had his job for 19 years and is taking his second lot of long >> service leave in August. It hasn't been without its worrying >> times, but what I now realise is that most of the problems were >> caused by other people and not by Ben. It is so easy to fall into >> "it must be the person who has the disability" as the problem and >> then as the parent, try to fix the problem by trying to 'fix' our >> son or daughter. It is also good cop out stuff for some people so >> that they don't have to put in more effort. Hopefully I have >> learned to be a bit more circumspect. These issues are similar to >> school issues when inclusion is not the real agenda. It has all >> been worth every bit of worry, effort etc as Ben's life is so rich >> with all the contact he has in community and the knowledge that >> 'ordinary' people have learned from his community presence. >> Best Wishes >> Jill >> On 26/06/2009, at 10:37 AM, Family Voices wrote: >> >> Thanks so much Jill and Maureen for your support, I appreciated the >> stories Maureen of the difficulties and am taking note for future >> reference, I had to laugh at the possible ?Logging in the >> Otways? job and can see how ridiculous it can get and how importan >> t it is to keep a sense of humour. The agencies here will not sup >> port Dan because of his disabilities ? they have all this criteria >> that he has to fit in to for him to be helped, so have known for >> many years that we will have to find him jobs ourselves ? I so und >> erstand the comment about ?it being too difficult for them?, >> it?s an internal battle I?ve had for many years, even about the >> schooling. Am going to make a big effort to take on your advice J >> ill, to be positive and raise my expectations. >> >> They are going to make up Dan?s resume in his IT class, he will be >> doing it ? they came up with this idea themselves. I think I may >> have finally gotten the knack of planting seeds in a certain way >> where they are coming up with the ideas. It?s only taken me 12 ye >> ars!! I couldn?t believe how the meeting went with the enthusiasm >> and ideas flowing ? more than I could come up with on my own. >> >> I would like to print off your emails to share with school if you >> are ok with that. >> >> Thanks again >> Jo >> >> From: familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com >> [mailto:familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com] On Behalf Of >> Family Voices >> Sent: Friday, 26 June 2009 8:36 AM >> To: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com >> Subject: Re: FV: Jo seeking help >> >> Hi Jo >> We have had a fair bit of experience with what you are going through. >> The CV is a great start, >> Lauren's interest is film, theatre and TV and celebrities. >> So we started trying to find a position where she could be involved >> in something like that. >> We went totally mainstream, and the only thing that was different >> from any other young person going for a position is that she had a >> support worker with her. >> There are plenty of learning's here. >> One theatre that she went to took all her information and she >> filled out "The form"and they said the next step would be a phone >> interview! Well, that did happen when I wasn't home and, quiet >> honestly, Lauren sounds more like a 10 year old than an (at the >> time) 18 year old when she is on the phone. After that they wrote >> to her and said don't bother EVER applying to our theatre again! >> She was devastated and so was I. We took a big step back. I have >> since heard that allot of places do a first interview on the phone >> and once you get past that you get to the next round. >> >> Next theatre Lauren got the position fair and square and the >> management were most acceptable and actually surprised me at how >> accepting they were. However, under the manager came the regular >> staff, who had no idea how to work with someone with a disability. >> The support worker went with her and she was selling programs at >> the theatre entrance. The podium she was to stand on was dangerous >> for her and she had to balance her books! The support worker was on >> the ball and Lauren was working very hard. However 4 hours on her >> feet standing on a small platform is physically too much for her >> and they offered her a job ion the cloakroom. That was fine,only >> when I went to pick her up she was sitting in what looked like a >> cupboard! She was so miserable as she had been there for 4 hours >> and spoken to no one and was terribly concerned she had got things >> (Peoples belongings) mixed up!I couldn't get her to go back she was >> so stressed! The support worker couldn't fit in the cupboard so >> wandered around the theatre. >> >> This position was paid a normal wage. >> However, even though meagre, I had to report it to Centrelink every >> fortnight, even if she didn't get a shift and it never incringed on >> her pension. >> I was so worried about phoning them on the right day at the right >> time, it became a big bug bare! I did it and hated it. Lauren >> couldn't possibly manage that part of it so it all became my >> responsibility and I am trying to step back out of her life not >> take on more responsibility. So just be aware of the Centrelink >> responsibility. >> The learning's in this experience is, that we should have supported >> the organization better and perhaps they could have supported >> Lauren better. I always felt the management wanted to but didn't >> know how, and I wasn't confident enough to approach them - I kept >> thinking that Lauren would be too difficult for them so they >> wouldn't take her on. I think I was wrong. >> >> I could go on and on and on Jo. >> We have had 7 years of interviews and let downs and it has been >> terribly difficult to keep Lauren's morale high. >> >> She was offered a traineeship through a government job seeking >> organization. The young woman who was assisting Lauren to find a >> job would get Lauren all excited every Monday when the jobs were >> given to the organization. Lauren would always phone me from the >> place with much excitement about working at McDonalds clearing >> tables or Hungry Jacks serving customers (All things she couldn't >> physically do) and then one day in much excitement she was told she >> was eligible for a traineeship and it was for "Logging in the >> Otways"...I very calmly spoke to the young woman who was helping >> Lauren and explained Lauren can't use a chainsaw. The young lady >> had no idea what "Logging in the Otways"meant. - in case you don't >> know what the Otways is, it is a mountain range near the great >> ocean road in Victoria. >> I am only telling you this Jo, because if we didn't keep a sense of >> humour we would have gone in sane during our efforts to assist >> Lauren. >> After the chainsaw incident, we took Lauren away from the >> organization and went it alone completely. >> >> It was allot of hard work for me. >> >> Lauren had work experience at a video store when she was at school. >> Infact she had three lots of work experience at three different >> stores and she was very good at re winding videos and selecting the >> movies for in house and dusting shelves. >> >> I drove some video organizations mad with "Please let her work >> here!"requests. >> Video Easy put an interesting flyer in our letterbox that looked >> like a wanted poster. At the time they were looking for customers. >> We have a printing business, so I took it to work and made it look >> like a wanted poster for Lauren looking for a job at Video Easy and >> I sent it back to their head office and every video easy store near >> our home. I thought it was very clever, but no one from Video Easy >> answered the request! >> >> I spoke for hours to the HR people at Blockbuster. I got them all >> sorts of information about employing people with a disability. >> Lauren would be very happy working one shift a week. That's >> probably all she could have done. I was told they don't promise any >> of their staff a shift so it would be discrimination against all >> the other employees!! >> >> >> She now has a voluntary position as an usher in a cinema. She loves >> it. She is very valued by the organization she works for and she >> has flexibility around her health and her ability. >> She also has a paid job at a farmers market where she works in the >> citrus stall handing out samples of fruit and making orange juice. >> She is learning to serve customers. That is only once a month. >> >> I could go on and on....some good people, some terrible, some >> really "get it"others haven't got a clue. >> >> Now Lauren is 8 years out of school, what I notice around the group >> of friends who left school at the same time is..The ones who's >> parents have really assisted with job hunting, have got somewhere, >> and those who's parents can't find the time to assist them and go >> to interviews with them, well, those young ones are still on the >> "job training wheel" or work in disability training programs or the >> workshops type places. >> >> No one comes knocking at your door saying "I have a job for Dan" >> you have to be out there and searching for it. >> >> So my suggestion is..........Be creative, make sure he has good >> support, make sure the organization he works with are well >> supported too, and that their staff are patient and caring. Try not >> to let all the knockbacks get you down and I hope you don't have >> too many of them. >> >> Good luck Jo. >> It's a long and interesting road. >> Maureen >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Family Voices >> To: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com >> Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 8:09 AM >> Subject: FV: Jo seeking help >> >> Hi There Everyone, >> >> I had a meeting with the school today about Daniels Work Placement >> (used to be called Work Experience when I was at school). Anyhow >> they want to do up a Resume with Daniel in IT ? lots of photos of >> Dan doing things that could potentially fit in with a work situati >> on. When the Resume is complete Daniel and his Aide will take it >> around to businesses we have identified as being suitable places >> for him to work. >> >> During the meeting I said that I felt it?s important we use the ri >> ght language and that we don?t set Daniel up to be a charitable pr >> oject. I said that some people may initially have Daniel work for >> them for charitable reasons but if we use positive language along >> with them getting to know Dan this attitude has potential to shif >> t as I have seen occur in other areas of his life. The people I m >> et with today were really keen to understand the correct language >> to use when introducing Dan to potential employers and asked me to >> provide them with information. I am still struggling with the co >> rrect language myself and would love it if you could suggest ways >> of how we first introduce Dan and so on. If anyone has done a Res >> ume and wouldn?t mind sharing we would find it very useful. 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URL: From familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com Tue Jul 14 23:25:19 2009 From: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com (Family Voices) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 16:25:19 +1000 Subject: FV: Lifestyle Solutions Message-ID: <7C04E48780D14E8C9670FCFBFA128C3F@D8XYGK1S> Has anyone had anything to do with an organization named Lifestyle Solutions? Particularly in NSW? Mainly Newcastle area? They are setting up in Victoria and I am wondering if they are another service provider and if so if anyone has used their services? Maureen From familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com Tue Jul 14 23:51:32 2009 From: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com (Family Voices) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 16:51:32 +1000 Subject: FV: Lifestyle Solutions In-Reply-To: <7C04E48780D14E8C9670FCFBFA128C3F@D8XYGK1S> Message-ID: <807bap$cgbil7@ipmail04.adl2.internode.on.net> Hi Maureen I have never heard of them but I/we am the wrong demographic for that type of service. I assume this is the group you are referring to though... http://www.lifestylesolutions.org.au I'll leave it up to those from that area Gina -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 1810 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message From familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com Wed Jul 15 00:13:01 2009 From: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com (Family Voices) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 17:13:01 +1000 Subject: FV: Lifestyle Solutions References: <807bap$cgbil7@ipmail04.adl2.internode.on.net> Message-ID: <9B453EFB6B5048F487F73ACC1EEC4A17@D8XYGK1S> Thanks Gina, yes that is the address. They are doing a "push" into Victoria - presently the country areas, and set up an office in Preston ( a suburb) and are pushing the ability to support families on Individual Support Packages. For those on Direst Payments they can assist with facilitation and planning etc etc etc...However, as there are only 100 families on Direct Payments at this stage, Lifestyle Solutions are right at the front to assist with this. I spoke to the woman in the office here and at this stage she is "it"and they intend assisting people with direct employment of staff. Well, direct employment is still in pilot mode at this stage with about 4 or 5 families trailing it. Could be interesting if they are a good, strong, wise, caring support provider! However, I am very mindful of the words from Canada about how a whole lot of new service providers grew out of Direct Payments. I am very interested to learn more. Hope you are well Maureen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Family Voices" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 4:51 PM Subject: Re: FV: Lifestyle Solutions > Hi Maureen > I have never heard of them but I/we am the wrong demographic for that type > of service. > > I assume this is the group you are referring to though... > http://www.lifestylesolutions.org.au > > I'll leave it up to those from that area > Gina > > > -- > I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. > We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. > SPAMfighter has removed 1810 of my spam emails to date. > Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len > > The Professional version does not have this message > > > From familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com Wed Jul 15 07:29:53 2009 From: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com (Family Voices) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 23:59:53 +0930 Subject: FV: Lifestyle Solutions In-Reply-To: <9B453EFB6B5048F487F73ACC1EEC4A17@D8XYGK1S> References: <807bap$cgbil7@ipmail04.adl2.internode.on.net> <9B453EFB6B5048F487F73ACC1EEC4A17@D8XYGK1S> Message-ID: Hi Maureen The Lifestyle Solutions 2007/08 Annual Report looks like an interesting read as I skim through it. Individualised Funding packages is mentioned on page 28. Looks like they are fairly busy in NSW so Catherine may have some info about them. I thought i had heard of them in SA but haven't been able to find anything and didn't see SA mentioned in their report. Will let you know if I hear anything. Hope all is going well in your world Jill On 15/07/2009, at 4:43 PM, Family Voices wrote: > > Thanks Gina, yes that is the address. > They are doing a "push" into Victoria - presently the country areas, > and set up an office in Preston ( a suburb) and are pushing the > ability to support families on Individual Support Packages. For > those on Direst Payments they can assist with facilitation and > planning etc etc etc...However, as there are only 100 families on > Direct Payments at this stage, Lifestyle Solutions are right at the > front to assist with this. I spoke to the woman in the office here > and at this stage she is "it"and they intend assisting people with > direct employment of staff. Well, direct employment is still in > pilot mode at this stage with about 4 or 5 families trailing it. > Could be interesting if they are a good, strong, wise, caring > support provider! However, I am very mindful of the words from > Canada about how a whole lot of new service providers grew out of > Direct Payments. > I am very interested to learn more. > Hope you are well > Maureen > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Family Voices" > > To: > Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 4:51 PM > Subject: Re: FV: Lifestyle Solutions > > >> Hi Maureen >> I have never heard of them but I/we am the wrong demographic for >> that type >> of service. >> >> I assume this is the group you are referring to though... >> http://www.lifestylesolutions.org.au >> >> I'll leave it up to those from that area >> Gina >> >> >> -- >> I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. >> We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. >> SPAMfighter has removed 1810 of my spam emails to date. >> Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len >> >> The Professional version does not have this message >> >> > > > From familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com Wed Jul 15 15:41:35 2009 From: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com (Family Voices) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 08:41:35 +1000 Subject: FV: Lifestyle Solutions References: <807bap$cgbil7@ipmail04.adl2.internode.on.net><9B453EFB6B5048F487F73ACC1EEC4A17@D8XYGK1S> Message-ID: <074C8B0960AC4C8C9592F5F160F46234@D8XYGK1S> Thanks Jill, I got up the annual report and couldn't get it big enough to read! so thanks for that Jill, I will print it out and then can read it better. I have spoken to them on the phone and they are sending me the prices for services, which is not mentioned anywhere on the website or in the brochure I have. One could be lead to think it is FREE!! However, their prices are comparable with other services. I hear you have had some nice rain in Adelaide. We still need loads more in Melbourne, it's very very dry here. Cold, sunny and dry. Great golf weather! All is well here. Thanks again Jill Maureen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Family Voices" To: Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 12:29 AM Subject: Re: FV: Lifestyle Solutions > > Hi Maureen > The Lifestyle Solutions 2007/08 Annual Report looks like an interesting > read as I skim through it. Individualised Funding packages is mentioned > on page 28. Looks like they are fairly busy in NSW so Catherine may have > some info about them. I thought i had heard of them in SA but haven't > been able to find anything and didn't see SA mentioned in their report. > Will let you know if I hear anything. > Hope all is going well in your world > Jill > On 15/07/2009, at 4:43 PM, Family Voices wrote: > >> >> Thanks Gina, yes that is the address. >> They are doing a "push" into Victoria - presently the country areas, and >> set up an office in Preston ( a suburb) and are pushing the ability to >> support families on Individual Support Packages. For those on Direst >> Payments they can assist with facilitation and planning etc etc >> etc...However, as there are only 100 families on Direct Payments at this >> stage, Lifestyle Solutions are right at the front to assist with this. I >> spoke to the woman in the office here and at this stage she is "it"and >> they intend assisting people with direct employment of staff. Well, >> direct employment is still in pilot mode at this stage with about 4 or 5 >> families trailing it. >> Could be interesting if they are a good, strong, wise, caring support >> provider! However, I am very mindful of the words from Canada about how >> a whole lot of new service providers grew out of Direct Payments. >> I am very interested to learn more. >> Hope you are well >> Maureen >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Family Voices" >> > > >> To: >> Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 4:51 PM >> Subject: Re: FV: Lifestyle Solutions >> >> >>> Hi Maureen >>> I have never heard of them but I/we am the wrong demographic for that >>> type >>> of service. >>> >>> I assume this is the group you are referring to though... >>> http://www.lifestylesolutions.org.au >>> >>> I'll leave it up to those from that area >>> Gina >>> >>> >>> -- >>> I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. >>> We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. >>> SPAMfighter has removed 1810 of my spam emails to date. >>> Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len >>> >>> The Professional version does not have this message >>> >>> >> >> >> > > From familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com Wed Jul 15 18:25:07 2009 From: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com (Family Voices) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 11:25:07 +1000 Subject: FV: Lifestyle Solutions In-Reply-To: <7C04E48780D14E8C9670FCFBFA128C3F@D8XYGK1S> References: <7C04E48780D14E8C9670FCFBFA128C3F@D8XYGK1S> Message-ID: They are a service provider who are opening up services all across the country and possibly have their sights OS. They are no better or worse than any other, but they are taking on everything they can get money for...not just disability stuff. The empire is growing at an incredible rate. They have been one of the first services in NSW to be funded for 'self managed' packages, but are still very 'servicy' and don't really get the 'family governed' bit. The CEO is a very nice man, but heading up the largest service providing organisation in history appears to be the aim of the game. Catherine Hogan -----Original Message----- From: familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com [mailto:familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com] On Behalf Of Family Voices Sent: Wednesday, 15 July 2009 4:25 PM To: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com Subject: FV: Lifestyle Solutions Has anyone had anything to do with an organization named Lifestyle Solutions? Particularly in NSW? Mainly Newcastle area? They are setting up in Victoria and I am wondering if they are another service provider and if so if anyone has used their services? Maureen From familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com Wed Jul 15 23:34:37 2009 From: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com (Family Voices) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 16:34:37 +1000 Subject: FV: Lifestyle Solutions References: <7C04E48780D14E8C9670FCFBFA128C3F@D8XYGK1S> Message-ID: <0B94B8C585D043F8B1AB656B219EA353@D8XYGK1S> Thanks Catherine for this. It all seems rather interesting. I will be watching with interest. I know some people from services who will be attending the Hume region presentation and they will be asking lots of questions. Maureen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Family Voices" To: Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 11:25 AM Subject: Re: FV: Lifestyle Solutions They are a service provider who are opening up services all across the country and possibly have their sights OS. They are no better or worse than any other, but they are taking on everything they can get money for...not just disability stuff. The empire is growing at an incredible rate. They have been one of the first services in NSW to be funded for 'self managed' packages, but are still very 'servicy' and don't really get the 'family governed' bit. The CEO is a very nice man, but heading up the largest service providing organisation in history appears to be the aim of the game. Catherine Hogan -----Original Message----- From: familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com [mailto:familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com] On Behalf Of Family Voices Sent: Wednesday, 15 July 2009 4:25 PM To: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com Subject: FV: Lifestyle Solutions Has anyone had anything to do with an organization named Lifestyle Solutions? Particularly in NSW? Mainly Newcastle area? They are setting up in Victoria and I am wondering if they are another service provider and if so if anyone has used their services? Maureen From familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com Sat Jul 18 01:36:25 2009 From: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com (Family Voices) Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2009 18:36:25 +1000 Subject: FV: Forming Federal Policy on Education of Children with Disabilities In-Reply-To: <0B94B8C585D043F8B1AB656B219EA353@D8XYGK1S> Message-ID: <807bap$chfe6t@ipmail04.adl2.internode.on.net> Hi All I have been asked by our local Federal Pollie to provide her with insights into potential policy considerations regarding the Education of Children with Disabilities. Apart from the obvious "INCLUSION, INCLUSION, INCLUSION" . I had also considered putting something together on: - Importance of Post Secondary Education (University style per Alberta) particularly since this is already a Federal responsibility. - Re-development of courses at University in the preparation/training of teachers to ensure they start right at the 'get-go' understanding they are all capable of teaching all students. This needs to be more than the odd unit they study, it needs to be embedded across the entire curriculum - Importance of inclusive approaches in the Early childhood arena and appropriate funding supports (currently half done Federally and half done by States) to enable this to happen. Anyone have anything they wish to send me to add to the list would be fantastic. I am not sure whether there is any benefits or potential in removing education from State responsibilities - that is too big for my little brain to comprehend. So I am not sure how they can, through policy, effect changes at the State level. Maybe they could have responsibility under a "Education and Inclusion Access Fund" where they fund each child/school with appropriate supports, but again, this is not something I have really given any thought too. Looking forward to hearing from you. Gina Gina Wilson-Burns 110a FLANNERY LANE, TAPITALLEE NSW 2540 TELEPHONE : 0412 022014 or 02 44460037 EMAIL: sandgburns at bigpond.com _____ I am using the Free version of SPAMfighter . We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 1821 of my spam emails to date. The Professional version does not have this message. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com Sat Jul 18 02:13:34 2009 From: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com (Family Voices) Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2009 19:13:34 +1000 Subject: FV: Forming Federal Policy on Education of Children withDisabilities In-Reply-To: <807bap$chfe6t@ipmail04.adl2.internode.on.net> References: <0B94B8C585D043F8B1AB656B219EA353@D8XYGK1S> <807bap$chfe6t@ipmail04.adl2.internode.on.net> Message-ID: Hey Gina and everyone else. The kids and I have moved into a rental house in Wagga after selling our family home .very sad. 48 Wilks Ave Wagga Wagga NSW 2650 same home phone 02 6926 3888. It's been a mad time but settling down now. Todd has been working in Nowra ( South Coast NSW, 5 Hours form Wagga) for about 5 weeks now and staying with his mum. We are on the hunt for where we want to live and a suitable home. The coast is a really different than inland when it comes to community. Here in Wagga we have a town with suburbs, or little towns about 15/20 mins drive out if you want more of a country feel. On the coast it is all little communities sprinkled here and there with not much public transport infrastructure, a mix of residential and holiday population and not much employment at all. Trying to locate a place that meets all our needs as a family is proving challenge. I know we'll get there in the end. In relation to the education stuff. There is a big difference between the public and private sector in the funding available for students with disability in regular class. It would be great if some common tool to assess need, then portable funding attached to the child, that the family could take with them to any school of their choice be it public or private. This would enable more brothers and sisters to be educated together and could also be expanded to encompass the extra need in boarding arrangements for very isolated, rural families where most education is offered by private schools in a city. As the feds currently contribute to the funding of private education there isn't much of a stretch to have them fund students with disability appropriately in the private sector too, is it?....just equity really..isn't it? Good luck, Gina Megs _____ From: familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com [mailto:familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com] On Behalf Of Family Voices Sent: Saturday, 18 July 2009 6:36 PM To: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com Subject: FV: Forming Federal Policy on Education of Children withDisabilities Hi All I have been asked by our local Federal Pollie to provide her with insights into potential policy considerations regarding the Education of Children with Disabilities. Apart from the obvious "INCLUSION, INCLUSION, INCLUSION" . I had also considered putting something together on: - Importance of Post Secondary Education (University style per Alberta) particularly since this is already a Federal responsibility. - Re-development of courses at University in the preparation/training of teachers to ensure they start right at the 'get-go' understanding they are all capable of teaching all students. This needs to be more than the odd unit they study, it needs to be embedded across the entire curriculum - Importance of inclusive approaches in the Early childhood arena and appropriate funding supports (currently half done Federally and half done by States) to enable this to happen. Anyone have anything they wish to send me to add to the list would be fantastic. I am not sure whether there is any benefits or potential in removing education from State responsibilities - that is too big for my little brain to comprehend. So I am not sure how they can, through policy, effect changes at the State level. Maybe they could have responsibility under a "Education and Inclusion Access Fund" where they fund each child/school with appropriate supports, but again, this is not something I have really given any thought too. Looking forward to hearing from you. Gina Gina Wilson-Burns 110a FLANNERY LANE, TAPITALLEE NSW 2540 TELEPHONE : 0412 022014 or 02 44460037 EMAIL: sandgburns at bigpond.com _____ I am using the Free version of SPAMfighter . We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 1821 of my spam emails to date. The Professional version does not have this message. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com Sat Jul 18 02:51:04 2009 From: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com (Family Voices) Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2009 19:51:04 +1000 Subject: FV: Forming Federal Policy on Education of ChildrenwithDisabilities In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <807bap$chfqpt@ipmail04.adl2.internode.on.net> Great to hear from you Meg Ah, yes, that is usually top of my list - funding portability - maybe it would be better to occur federally. thanks Aside from that. one of the girls I was at SRV mentioned you were considering Kiama as a potential location. We have a few friends there (Uni mates who grew up in Albury and Canowindra, so get the community aspect), Shawn's boss from Uni and good friends of Mum and Dad's if you wanted to talk to anyone about it - Shawn said the highschool is pretty good and the principal is a 'pretty good bloke'. Just contact us if you want any extra details - Public Transport around Jervis Bay is a nightmare, at least anywhere above Nowra you can utilize trains up and down the coast. Tell Todd if he wants/needs a beer any time we would be more than willing to hang out. Gina _____ From: familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com [mailto:familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com] On Behalf Of Family Voices Sent: Saturday, 18 July 2009 7:14 PM To: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com Subject: Re: FV: Forming Federal Policy on Education of ChildrenwithDisabilities Hey Gina and everyone else. The kids and I have moved into a rental house in Wagga after selling our family home .very sad. 48 Wilks Ave Wagga Wagga NSW 2650 same home phone 02 6926 3888. It's been a mad time but settling down now. Todd has been working in Nowra ( South Coast NSW, 5 Hours form Wagga) for about 5 weeks now and staying with his mum. We are on the hunt for where we want to live and a suitable home. The coast is a really different than inland when it comes to community. Here in Wagga we have a town with suburbs, or little towns about 15/20 mins drive out if you want more of a country feel. On the coast it is all little communities sprinkled here and there with not much public transport infrastructure, a mix of residential and holiday population and not much employment at all. Trying to locate a place that meets all our needs as a family is proving challenge. I know we'll get there in the end. In relation to the education stuff. There is a big difference between the public and private sector in the funding available for students with disability in regular class. It would be great if some common tool to assess need, then portable funding attached to the child, that the family could take with them to any school of their choice be it public or private. This would enable more brothers and sisters to be educated together and could also be expanded to encompass the extra need in boarding arrangements for very isolated, rural families where most education is offered by private schools in a city. As the feds currently contribute to the funding of private education there isn't much of a stretch to have them fund students with disability appropriately in the private sector too, is it?....just equity really..isn't it? Good luck, Gina Megs _____ From: familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com [mailto:familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com] On Behalf Of Family Voices Sent: Saturday, 18 July 2009 6:36 PM To: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com Subject: FV: Forming Federal Policy on Education of Children withDisabilities Hi All I have been asked by our local Federal Pollie to provide her with insights into potential policy considerations regarding the Education of Children with Disabilities. Apart from the obvious "INCLUSION, INCLUSION, INCLUSION" . I had also considered putting something together on: - Importance of Post Secondary Education (University style per Alberta) particularly since this is already a Federal responsibility. - Re-development of courses at University in the preparation/training of teachers to ensure they start right at the 'get-go' understanding they are all capable of teaching all students. This needs to be more than the odd unit they study, it needs to be embedded across the entire curriculum - Importance of inclusive approaches in the Early childhood arena and appropriate funding supports (currently half done Federally and half done by States) to enable this to happen. Anyone have anything they wish to send me to add to the list would be fantastic. I am not sure whether there is any benefits or potential in removing education from State responsibilities - that is too big for my little brain to comprehend. So I am not sure how they can, through policy, effect changes at the State level. Maybe they could have responsibility under a "Education and Inclusion Access Fund" where they fund each child/school with appropriate supports, but again, this is not something I have really given any thought too. Looking forward to hearing from you. Gina Gina Wilson-Burns 110a FLANNERY LANE, TAPITALLEE NSW 2540 TELEPHONE : 0412 022014 or 02 44460037 EMAIL: sandgburns at bigpond.com _____ I am using the Free version of SPAMfighter . We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 1821 of my spam emails to date. The Professional version does not have this message. _____ I am using the Free version of SPAMfighter . We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 1821 of my spam emails to date. The Professional version does not have this message. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com Sat Jul 18 04:13:32 2009 From: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com (Family Voices) Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2009 21:13:32 +1000 Subject: FV: Forming Federal Policy on Education ofChildrenwithDisabilities In-Reply-To: <807bap$chfqpt@ipmail04.adl2.internode.on.net> References: <807bap$chfqpt@ipmail04.adl2.internode.on.net> Message-ID: <73A2AB5F10F840B7B264D34D5268F60F@SWEENEYDESKTOP> Thanks Gina, Its good to have my head out of boxes again. Kiama is a bit a of a push as it will be a 40min commute for Todd on top of a 12 hour day, I'm particularly worried about the drive after night shift however it offers a largely residential community with good public transport and better opportunities for employment than Nowra for the rest of us due to its closeness to Wollongong. We'll see.. How is Mac holding up for the winter? Meg _____ From: familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com [mailto:familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com] On Behalf Of Family Voices Sent: Saturday, 18 July 2009 7:51 PM To: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com Subject: Re: FV: Forming Federal Policy on Education ofChildrenwithDisabilities Great to hear from you Meg Ah, yes, that is usually top of my list - funding portability - maybe it would be better to occur federally. thanks Aside from that. one of the girls I was at SRV mentioned you were considering Kiama as a potential location. We have a few friends there (Uni mates who grew up in Albury and Canowindra, so get the community aspect), Shawn's boss from Uni and good friends of Mum and Dad's if you wanted to talk to anyone about it - Shawn said the highschool is pretty good and the principal is a 'pretty good bloke'. Just contact us if you want any extra details - Public Transport around Jervis Bay is a nightmare, at least anywhere above Nowra you can utilize trains up and down the coast. Tell Todd if he wants/needs a beer any time we would be more than willing to hang out. Gina _____ From: familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com [mailto:familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com] On Behalf Of Family Voices Sent: Saturday, 18 July 2009 7:14 PM To: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com Subject: Re: FV: Forming Federal Policy on Education of ChildrenwithDisabilities Hey Gina and everyone else. The kids and I have moved into a rental house in Wagga after selling our family home .very sad. 48 Wilks Ave Wagga Wagga NSW 2650 same home phone 02 6926 3888. It's been a mad time but settling down now. Todd has been working in Nowra ( South Coast NSW, 5 Hours form Wagga) for about 5 weeks now and staying with his mum. We are on the hunt for where we want to live and a suitable home. The coast is a really different than inland when it comes to community. Here in Wagga we have a town with suburbs, or little towns about 15/20 mins drive out if you want more of a country feel. On the coast it is all little communities sprinkled here and there with not much public transport infrastructure, a mix of residential and holiday population and not much employment at all. Trying to locate a place that meets all our needs as a family is proving challenge. I know we'll get there in the end. In relation to the education stuff. There is a big difference between the public and private sector in the funding available for students with disability in regular class. It would be great if some common tool to assess need, then portable funding attached to the child, that the family could take with them to any school of their choice be it public or private. This would enable more brothers and sisters to be educated together and could also be expanded to encompass the extra need in boarding arrangements for very isolated, rural families where most education is offered by private schools in a city. As the feds currently contribute to the funding of private education there isn't much of a stretch to have them fund students with disability appropriately in the private sector too, is it?....just equity really..isn't it? Good luck, Gina Megs _____ From: familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com [mailto:familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com] On Behalf Of Family Voices Sent: Saturday, 18 July 2009 6:36 PM To: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com Subject: FV: Forming Federal Policy on Education of Children withDisabilities Hi All I have been asked by our local Federal Pollie to provide her with insights into potential policy considerations regarding the Education of Children with Disabilities. Apart from the obvious "INCLUSION, INCLUSION, INCLUSION" . I had also considered putting something together on: - Importance of Post Secondary Education (University style per Alberta) particularly since this is already a Federal responsibility. - Re-development of courses at University in the preparation/training of teachers to ensure they start right at the 'get-go' understanding they are all capable of teaching all students. This needs to be more than the odd unit they study, it needs to be embedded across the entire curriculum - Importance of inclusive approaches in the Early childhood arena and appropriate funding supports (currently half done Federally and half done by States) to enable this to happen. Anyone have anything they wish to send me to add to the list would be fantastic. I am not sure whether there is any benefits or potential in removing education from State responsibilities - that is too big for my little brain to comprehend. So I am not sure how they can, through policy, effect changes at the State level. Maybe they could have responsibility under a "Education and Inclusion Access Fund" where they fund each child/school with appropriate supports, but again, this is not something I have really given any thought too. Looking forward to hearing from you. Gina Gina Wilson-Burns 110a FLANNERY LANE, TAPITALLEE NSW 2540 TELEPHONE : 0412 022014 or 02 44460037 EMAIL: sandgburns at bigpond.com _____ I am using the Free version of SPAMfighter . We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 1821 of my spam emails to date. The Professional version does not have this message. _____ I am using the Free version of SPAMfighter . We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 1821 of my spam emails to date. The Professional version does not have this message. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com Sat Jul 18 16:09:07 2009 From: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com (Family Voices) Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 09:09:07 +1000 Subject: FV: Forming Federal Policy on EducationofChildrenwithDisabilities In-Reply-To: <73A2AB5F10F840B7B264D34D5268F60F@SWEENEYDESKTOP> Message-ID: <807bap$chjmni@ipmail04.adl2.internode.on.net> Hi Meg I can't imagine the emotions on selling your home after all that time. I was sad enough about selling ours in Wagga and we were only there for a few years - but how nice to be out of boxes. We are still in the boxes moment still living with mum and dad for another 9months or so - does our heads in but my sister should start building in a week or two. Ha, at the risk of jinxing myself Mac does pretty well winter. He and I have both had sinus/head colds this week but nothing major - school holidays has meant we could just lay low and recover. All his big illnesses have been Christmas time ie the flu that was the catalyst for his brain injury was his first xmas, and then pleurisy (with surgery) was new years a few years ago but started as strep throat at xmas. Otherwise he manages to stay pretty healthy despite being at school with 300 other petri dishes on legs. I guess the fact he can't put his hands in his mouth physically means transfer of germs is somewhat limited. And his dragon mother makes him eat super healthy food. Although we had a run on restaurants the other week so he had his usual pureed garlic prawns at one and then we tried mushed up oysters mornay - he loved them. Of course restaurants always seem to want to give him free ice cream which I do let him have :-) because he does love it too. Yeah, the commute after night shift is certainly the trickier option. Although I would say you would be only looking at 10mins difference between a drive to Vincentia (25min) and a drive to Kiama (35min). Maybe with Kiama you could have a strategy with nightshift where Todd comes and goes by train (may not be practicable and he might be a bit 'anti' that like Shawn is). Certainly the luxury of deciding on jobs anywhere from Wollongong to Nowra is attractive. Good luck in the decision making. Gina _____ From: familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com [mailto:familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com] On Behalf Of Family Voices Sent: Saturday, 18 July 2009 9:14 PM To: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com Subject: Re: FV: Forming Federal Policy on EducationofChildrenwithDisabilities Thanks Gina, Its good to have my head out of boxes again. Kiama is a bit a of a push as it will be a 40min commute for Todd on top of a 12 hour day, I'm particularly worried about the drive after night shift however it offers a largely residential community with good public transport and better opportunities for employment than Nowra for the rest of us due to its closeness to Wollongong. We'll see.. How is Mac holding up for the winter? Meg _____ From: familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com [mailto:familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com] On Behalf Of Family Voices Sent: Saturday, 18 July 2009 7:51 PM To: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com Subject: Re: FV: Forming Federal Policy on Education ofChildrenwithDisabilities Great to hear from you Meg Ah, yes, that is usually top of my list - funding portability - maybe it would be better to occur federally. thanks Aside from that. one of the girls I was at SRV mentioned you were considering Kiama as a potential location. We have a few friends there (Uni mates who grew up in Albury and Canowindra, so get the community aspect), Shawn's boss from Uni and good friends of Mum and Dad's if you wanted to talk to anyone about it - Shawn said the highschool is pretty good and the principal is a 'pretty good bloke'. Just contact us if you want any extra details - Public Transport around Jervis Bay is a nightmare, at least anywhere above Nowra you can utilize trains up and down the coast. Tell Todd if he wants/needs a beer any time we would be more than willing to hang out. Gina _____ From: familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com [mailto:familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com] On Behalf Of Family Voices Sent: Saturday, 18 July 2009 7:14 PM To: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com Subject: Re: FV: Forming Federal Policy on Education of ChildrenwithDisabilities Hey Gina and everyone else. The kids and I have moved into a rental house in Wagga after selling our family home .very sad. 48 Wilks Ave Wagga Wagga NSW 2650 same home phone 02 6926 3888. It's been a mad time but settling down now. Todd has been working in Nowra ( South Coast NSW, 5 Hours form Wagga) for about 5 weeks now and staying with his mum. We are on the hunt for where we want to live and a suitable home. The coast is a really different than inland when it comes to community. Here in Wagga we have a town with suburbs, or little towns about 15/20 mins drive out if you want more of a country feel. On the coast it is all little communities sprinkled here and there with not much public transport infrastructure, a mix of residential and holiday population and not much employment at all. Trying to locate a place that meets all our needs as a family is proving challenge. I know we'll get there in the end. In relation to the education stuff. There is a big difference between the public and private sector in the funding available for students with disability in regular class. It would be great if some common tool to assess need, then portable funding attached to the child, that the family could take with them to any school of their choice be it public or private. This would enable more brothers and sisters to be educated together and could also be expanded to encompass the extra need in boarding arrangements for very isolated, rural families where most education is offered by private schools in a city. As the feds currently contribute to the funding of private education there isn't much of a stretch to have them fund students with disability appropriately in the private sector too, is it?....just equity really..isn't it? Good luck, Gina Megs _____ From: familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com [mailto:familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com] On Behalf Of Family Voices Sent: Saturday, 18 July 2009 6:36 PM To: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com Subject: FV: Forming Federal Policy on Education of Children withDisabilities Hi All I have been asked by our local Federal Pollie to provide her with insights into potential policy considerations regarding the Education of Children with Disabilities. Apart from the obvious "INCLUSION, INCLUSION, INCLUSION" . I had also considered putting something together on: - Importance of Post Secondary Education (University style per Alberta) particularly since this is already a Federal responsibility. - Re-development of courses at University in the preparation/training of teachers to ensure they start right at the 'get-go' understanding they are all capable of teaching all students. This needs to be more than the odd unit they study, it needs to be embedded across the entire curriculum - Importance of inclusive approaches in the Early childhood arena and appropriate funding supports (currently half done Federally and half done by States) to enable this to happen. Anyone have anything they wish to send me to add to the list would be fantastic. I am not sure whether there is any benefits or potential in removing education from State responsibilities - that is too big for my little brain to comprehend. So I am not sure how they can, through policy, effect changes at the State level. Maybe they could have responsibility under a "Education and Inclusion Access Fund" where they fund each child/school with appropriate supports, but again, this is not something I have really given any thought too. Looking forward to hearing from you. Gina Gina Wilson-Burns 110a FLANNERY LANE, TAPITALLEE NSW 2540 TELEPHONE : 0412 022014 or 02 44460037 EMAIL: sandgburns at bigpond.com _____ I am using the Free version of SPAMfighter . We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 1821 of my spam emails to date. The Professional version does not have this message. _____ I am using the Free version of SPAMfighter . We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 1821 of my spam emails to date. The Professional version does not have this message. _____ I am using the Free version of SPAMfighter . We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. 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URL: From familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com Sat Jul 18 21:33:20 2009 From: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com (Family Voices) Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 14:33:20 +1000 Subject: FV: Forming Federal Policy onEducationofChildrenwithDisabilities In-Reply-To: <807bap$chjmni@ipmail04.adl2.internode.on.net> References: <73A2AB5F10F840B7B264D34D5268F60F@SWEENEYDESKTOP> <807bap$chjmni@ipmail04.adl2.internode.on.net> Message-ID: Thanks Gina, I'll keep you in the loop _____ From: familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com [mailto:familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com] On Behalf Of Family Voices Sent: Sunday, 19 July 2009 9:09 AM To: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com Subject: Re: FV: Forming Federal Policy onEducationofChildrenwithDisabilities Hi Meg I can't imagine the emotions on selling your home after all that time. I was sad enough about selling ours in Wagga and we were only there for a few years - but how nice to be out of boxes. We are still in the boxes moment still living with mum and dad for another 9months or so - does our heads in but my sister should start building in a week or two. Ha, at the risk of jinxing myself Mac does pretty well winter. He and I have both had sinus/head colds this week but nothing major - school holidays has meant we could just lay low and recover. All his big illnesses have been Christmas time ie the flu that was the catalyst for his brain injury was his first xmas, and then pleurisy (with surgery) was new years a few years ago but started as strep throat at xmas. Otherwise he manages to stay pretty healthy despite being at school with 300 other petri dishes on legs. I guess the fact he can't put his hands in his mouth physically means transfer of germs is somewhat limited. And his dragon mother makes him eat super healthy food. Although we had a run on restaurants the other week so he had his usual pureed garlic prawns at one and then we tried mushed up oysters mornay - he loved them. Of course restaurants always seem to want to give him free ice cream which I do let him have :-) because he does love it too. Yeah, the commute after night shift is certainly the trickier option. Although I would say you would be only looking at 10mins difference between a drive to Vincentia (25min) and a drive to Kiama (35min). Maybe with Kiama you could have a strategy with nightshift where Todd comes and goes by train (may not be practicable and he might be a bit 'anti' that like Shawn is). Certainly the luxury of deciding on jobs anywhere from Wollongong to Nowra is attractive. Good luck in the decision making. Gina _____ From: familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com [mailto:familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com] On Behalf Of Family Voices Sent: Saturday, 18 July 2009 9:14 PM To: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com Subject: Re: FV: Forming Federal Policy on EducationofChildrenwithDisabilities Thanks Gina, Its good to have my head out of boxes again. Kiama is a bit a of a push as it will be a 40min commute for Todd on top of a 12 hour day, I'm particularly worried about the drive after night shift however it offers a largely residential community with good public transport and better opportunities for employment than Nowra for the rest of us due to its closeness to Wollongong. We'll see.. How is Mac holding up for the winter? Meg _____ From: familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com [mailto:familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com] On Behalf Of Family Voices Sent: Saturday, 18 July 2009 7:51 PM To: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com Subject: Re: FV: Forming Federal Policy on Education ofChildrenwithDisabilities Great to hear from you Meg Ah, yes, that is usually top of my list - funding portability - maybe it would be better to occur federally. thanks Aside from that. one of the girls I was at SRV mentioned you were considering Kiama as a potential location. We have a few friends there (Uni mates who grew up in Albury and Canowindra, so get the community aspect), Shawn's boss from Uni and good friends of Mum and Dad's if you wanted to talk to anyone about it - Shawn said the highschool is pretty good and the principal is a 'pretty good bloke'. Just contact us if you want any extra details - Public Transport around Jervis Bay is a nightmare, at least anywhere above Nowra you can utilize trains up and down the coast. Tell Todd if he wants/needs a beer any time we would be more than willing to hang out. Gina _____ From: familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com [mailto:familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com] On Behalf Of Family Voices Sent: Saturday, 18 July 2009 7:14 PM To: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com Subject: Re: FV: Forming Federal Policy on Education of ChildrenwithDisabilities Hey Gina and everyone else. The kids and I have moved into a rental house in Wagga after selling our family home .very sad. 48 Wilks Ave Wagga Wagga NSW 2650 same home phone 02 6926 3888. It's been a mad time but settling down now. Todd has been working in Nowra ( South Coast NSW, 5 Hours form Wagga) for about 5 weeks now and staying with his mum. We are on the hunt for where we want to live and a suitable home. The coast is a really different than inland when it comes to community. Here in Wagga we have a town with suburbs, or little towns about 15/20 mins drive out if you want more of a country feel. On the coast it is all little communities sprinkled here and there with not much public transport infrastructure, a mix of residential and holiday population and not much employment at all. Trying to locate a place that meets all our needs as a family is proving challenge. I know we'll get there in the end. In relation to the education stuff. There is a big difference between the public and private sector in the funding available for students with disability in regular class. It would be great if some common tool to assess need, then portable funding attached to the child, that the family could take with them to any school of their choice be it public or private. This would enable more brothers and sisters to be educated together and could also be expanded to encompass the extra need in boarding arrangements for very isolated, rural families where most education is offered by private schools in a city. As the feds currently contribute to the funding of private education there isn't much of a stretch to have them fund students with disability appropriately in the private sector too, is it?....just equity really..isn't it? Good luck, Gina Megs _____ From: familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com [mailto:familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com] On Behalf Of Family Voices Sent: Saturday, 18 July 2009 6:36 PM To: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com Subject: FV: Forming Federal Policy on Education of Children withDisabilities Hi All I have been asked by our local Federal Pollie to provide her with insights into potential policy considerations regarding the Education of Children with Disabilities. Apart from the obvious "INCLUSION, INCLUSION, INCLUSION" . I had also considered putting something together on: - Importance of Post Secondary Education (University style per Alberta) particularly since this is already a Federal responsibility. - Re-development of courses at University in the preparation/training of teachers to ensure they start right at the 'get-go' understanding they are all capable of teaching all students. This needs to be more than the odd unit they study, it needs to be embedded across the entire curriculum - Importance of inclusive approaches in the Early childhood arena and appropriate funding supports (currently half done Federally and half done by States) to enable this to happen. Anyone have anything they wish to send me to add to the list would be fantastic. I am not sure whether there is any benefits or potential in removing education from State responsibilities - that is too big for my little brain to comprehend. So I am not sure how they can, through policy, effect changes at the State level. Maybe they could have responsibility under a "Education and Inclusion Access Fund" where they fund each child/school with appropriate supports, but again, this is not something I have really given any thought too. Looking forward to hearing from you. Gina Gina Wilson-Burns 110a FLANNERY LANE, TAPITALLEE NSW 2540 TELEPHONE : 0412 022014 or 02 44460037 EMAIL: sandgburns at bigpond.com _____ I am using the Free version of SPAMfighter . We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 1821 of my spam emails to date. The Professional version does not have this message. _____ I am using the Free version of SPAMfighter . We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 1821 of my spam emails to date. The Professional version does not have this message. _____ I am using the Free version of SPAMfighter . We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. 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John Grantley ,the former Director of the Up The Hill project , has done some great cut and paste from the report and I thought you might be interestd to see this, I will also forward you the email from SACID which offers the whole Social inclusion report. My best wishes Miriam From: jdsg at dodo.com.au To: miriamhigh at hotmail.com Subject: Social Inclusion Report Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 12:05:56 +0930 Dear Miriam Have attached a ?one page cut and paste? of some statements made in the above report that describes the Up the Hill project to a tee. I am sure there will be other statements that will relate to the Project throughout the report, but have indulged myself enough for the time being. Must get on and do some mundane things like clearing up the kitchen etc. Speak to you again soon. Regards JohnG John Grantley 30 Willunga Street Eden Hills SA 5050 Tele: (08) 8278 1865 Mobile: 0433-711-322 _________________________________________________________________ Looking for a place to rent, share or buy this winter? Find your next place with Ninemsn?property http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fninemsn%2Edomain%2Ecom%2Eau%2F%3Fs%5Fcid%3DFDMedia%3ANineMSN%5FHotmail%5FTagline&_t=774152450&_r=Domain_tagline&_m=EXT -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com Sun Jul 19 01:54:01 2009 From: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com (Family Voices) Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 18:54:01 +1000 Subject: FV: Forming Federal Policy on Education of ChildrenwithDisabilities In-Reply-To: References: <0B94B8C585D043F8B1AB656B219EA353@D8XYGK1S><807bap$chfe6t@ipmail04.adl2.internode.on.net> Message-ID: <138FC68253E24B5085CC346812E0D999@dell91> Hi Meg Great to hear from you. Sounds like you have been really busy. I have had a few moves over time and appreciate the challenges ahead for you. Keep us posted. Keep smiling Jane Jane Warner/Hudson 07 46714737 _____ From: familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com [mailto:familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com] On Behalf Of Family Voices Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 7:14 PM To: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com Subject: Re: FV: Forming Federal Policy on Education of ChildrenwithDisabilities Hey Gina and everyone else. The kids and I have moved into a rental house in Wagga after selling our family home .very sad. 48 Wilks Ave Wagga Wagga NSW 2650 same home phone 02 6926 3888. It's been a mad time but settling down now. Todd has been working in Nowra ( South Coast NSW, 5 Hours form Wagga) for about 5 weeks now and staying with his mum. We are on the hunt for where we want to live and a suitable home. The coast is a really different than inland when it comes to community. Here in Wagga we have a town with suburbs, or little towns about 15/20 mins drive out if you want more of a country feel. On the coast it is all little communities sprinkled here and there with not much public transport infrastructure, a mix of residential and holiday population and not much employment at all. Trying to locate a place that meets all our needs as a family is proving challenge. I know we'll get there in the end. In relation to the education stuff. There is a big difference between the public and private sector in the funding available for students with disability in regular class. It would be great if some common tool to assess need, then portable funding attached to the child, that the family could take with them to any school of their choice be it public or private. This would enable more brothers and sisters to be educated together and could also be expanded to encompass the extra need in boarding arrangements for very isolated, rural families where most education is offered by private schools in a city. As the feds currently contribute to the funding of private education there isn't much of a stretch to have them fund students with disability appropriately in the private sector too, is it?....just equity really..isn't it? Good luck, Gina Megs _____ From: familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com [mailto:familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com] On Behalf Of Family Voices Sent: Saturday, 18 July 2009 6:36 PM To: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com Subject: FV: Forming Federal Policy on Education of Children withDisabilities Hi All I have been asked by our local Federal Pollie to provide her with insights into potential policy considerations regarding the Education of Children with Disabilities. Apart from the obvious "INCLUSION, INCLUSION, INCLUSION" . I had also considered putting something together on: - Importance of Post Secondary Education (University style per Alberta) particularly since this is already a Federal responsibility. - Re-development of courses at University in the preparation/training of teachers to ensure they start right at the 'get-go' understanding they are all capable of teaching all students. This needs to be more than the odd unit they study, it needs to be embedded across the entire curriculum - Importance of inclusive approaches in the Early childhood arena and appropriate funding supports (currently half done Federally and half done by States) to enable this to happen. Anyone have anything they wish to send me to add to the list would be fantastic. I am not sure whether there is any benefits or potential in removing education from State responsibilities - that is too big for my little brain to comprehend. So I am not sure how they can, through policy, effect changes at the State level. Maybe they could have responsibility under a "Education and Inclusion Access Fund" where they fund each child/school with appropriate supports, but again, this is not something I have really given any thought too. Looking forward to hearing from you. Gina Gina Wilson-Burns 110a FLANNERY LANE, TAPITALLEE NSW 2540 TELEPHONE : 0412 022014 or 02 44460037 EMAIL: sandgburns at bigpond.com _____ I am using the Free version of SPAMfighter . We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 1821 of my spam emails to date. The Professional version does not have this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.13.17/2242 - Release Date: 07/17/09 18:00:00 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com Sun Jul 19 01:56:17 2009 From: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com (Family Voices) Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 18:26:17 +0930 Subject: FV: FW: Disability - Social Inclusion In-Reply-To: <006701ca0690$440e5e10$cc2b1a30$@on.net> References: <006701ca0690$440e5e10$cc2b1a30$@on.net> Message-ID: Gina I hope you find some useful thoughts in here regards Miriam From: sacid at adelaide.on.net To: sacid at adelaide.on.net Subject: FW: Disability - Social Inclusion Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 13:06:03 +0930 FYI ?..see below and attached SA Council on Intellectual Disability Inc. ? sacid at adelaide.on.net F 302 South Road Hilton 5033 (: 08 8354 0673 if office unattended please phone: ?: 0400 998985 ?: 08 8374 1136 Working towards achieving a South Australian community in which people with intellectual disability are involved and accepted as equal participating members. IMPORTANT: If you do not wish to recieve information emails from SACID please reply with REMOVE in the subject line. The Better Pathways Consultations are part of the Social Inclusion Board's response to the Premier?s request to improve pathways from school to further education, training, employment and other day options for people with a disability. More than 700 people with a disability, their families and carers have given their feedback as part of these consultations. LATEST: The Social Inclusion Board?s consultation and research relating to new and effective ways to support young people with a disability to transition to the post-school environment is now complete. http://www.socialinclusion.sa.gov.au/page.php?id=27#disabilitydownloads _________________________________________________________________ View photos of singles in your area Click Here http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fdating%2Eninemsn%2Ecom%2Eau%2Fsearch%2Fsearch%2Easpx%3Fexec%3Dgo%26tp%3Dq%26gc%3D2%26tr%3D1%26lage%3D18%26uage%3D55%26cl%3D14%26sl%3D0%26dist%3D50%26po%3D1%26do%3D2%26trackingid%3D1046138%26r2s%3D1&_t=773166090&_r=Hotmail_Endtext&_m=EXT -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.gif Type: image/gif Size: 1226 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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And she is gradually understanding why we make the choices we do as she follows Mac's journey - so it is too good an opportunity to miss not getting everything we want on the agenda up there for discussion, in my opinion. Really appreciate you forwarding this. Regards Gina _____ From: familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com [mailto:familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com] On Behalf Of Family Voices Sent: Sunday, 19 July 2009 6:56 PM To: family voices Subject: FV: FW: Disability - Social Inclusion Gina I hope you find some useful thoughts in here regards Miriam _____ From: sacid at adelaide.on.net To: sacid at adelaide.on.net Subject: FW: Disability - Social Inclusion Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 13:06:03 +0930 FYI ...see below and attached cid:image001.gif at 01C7ADB2.FC1902F0 SA Council on Intellectual Disability Inc. * sacid at adelaide.on.net F 302 South Road Hilton 5033 *: 08 8354 0673 if office unattended please phone: *: 0400 998985 *: 08 8374 1136 Working towards achieving a South Australian community in which people with intellectual disability are involved and accepted as equal participating members. 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