From familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com  Wed Sep  2 15:11:45 2009
From: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com (Family Voices)
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 06:11:45 +0800
Subject: FV: Personalised residential supports
In-Reply-To: <1d4342460908191556y394711b5y844c3124a2a25960@mail.gmail.com>
References: <D3454EBD13D14579B7B43B4F79CBA49C@D8XYGK1S>	<E616E829790DF645886A21360AFB42B318F923@sbs2003.CLP.local>
	<1d4342460908191556y394711b5y844c3124a2a25960@mail.gmail.com>
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Ross is wondering if we all fell of the planet. Just checking the server to
see if it is working.

Darrell

 

From: familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com
[mailto:familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com] On Behalf Of Family
Voices
Sent: Thursday, 20 August 2009 6:56 AM
To: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com
Subject: Re: FV: Personalised residential supports

 

Hallo Ross,

 

 Thanks for these documents I will find them very useful. I will have some
trouble adding them to my files but I am sure I will find space.

 

Regards,

 

Brenda.

On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 9:45 AM, Family Voices
<familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com> wrote:

Hi Canadian travelling cousins and others who look in on the list,

Just in case you haven't all seen this already I thought I'd share this
stuff from Errol Cocks and Ross Boaden which is exploring how people can
be supported to have highly personalised support in the places they
live.  Some terrific stuff and lovely to have this documented.

Best wishes to you all,  Ross

 

 

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From familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com  Wed Sep  2 17:07:21 2009
From: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com (Family Voices)
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 10:07:21 +1000
Subject: FV: Personalised residential supports
References: <D3454EBD13D14579B7B43B4F79CBA49C@D8XYGK1S>	<E616E829790DF645886A21360AFB42B318F923@sbs2003.CLP.local><1d4342460908191556y394711b5y844c3124a2a25960@mail.gmail.com>
	<001c01ca2c1a$5c0f2a30$142d7e90$@com>
Message-ID: <93B96DA384404D17812A51C650B89541@D8XYGK1S>

I'm here Darrell and Ross!!

Just busy doing "stuff"and assisting my daughter to get a good life!!
Also, playing golf and almost winning the monthly medal. - Lost on a count back on Tuesday!!
You see, I am also trying to get myself a good life

Hope you are all fine
Maureen
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Family Voices 
  To: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com 
  Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 8:11 AM
  Subject: Re: FV: Personalised residential supports


  Ross is wondering if we all fell of the planet. Just checking the server to see if it is working.

  Darrell

   

  From: familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com [mailto:familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com] On Behalf Of Family Voices
  Sent: Thursday, 20 August 2009 6:56 AM
  To: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com
  Subject: Re: FV: Personalised residential supports

   

  Hallo Ross,

   

   Thanks for these documents I will find them very useful. I will have some trouble adding them to my files but I am sure I will find space.

   

  Regards,

   

  Brenda.

  On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 9:45 AM, Family Voices <familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com> wrote:

  Hi Canadian travelling cousins and others who look in on the list,

  Just in case you haven't all seen this already I thought I'd share this
  stuff from Errol Cocks and Ross Boaden which is exploring how people can
  be supported to have highly personalised support in the places they
  live.  Some terrific stuff and lovely to have this documented.

  Best wishes to you all,  Ross

   

   

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From familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com  Wed Sep  2 18:48:59 2009
From: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com (Family Voices)
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 09:48:59 +0800
Subject: FV: Maureen and golf
In-Reply-To: <93B96DA384404D17812A51C650B89541@D8XYGK1S>
References: <D3454EBD13D14579B7B43B4F79CBA49C@D8XYGK1S>	<E616E829790DF645886A21360AFB42B318F923@sbs2003.CLP.local><1d4342460908191556y394711b5y844c3124a2a25960@mail.gmail.com>	<001c01ca2c1a$5c0f2a30$142d7e90$@com>
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Message-ID: <006301ca2c38$b52482a0$1f6d87e0$@com>

Thanks Maureen. Now we know we are still on air and Ross hasn't been left
out.

 

PS, Congrats on golf.

Is it true that the difference between golf and government is that in golf
you can't improve your lie?

dw

 

From: familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com
[mailto:familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com] On Behalf Of Family
Voices
Sent: Thursday, 3 September 2009 8:07 AM
To: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com
Subject: Re: FV: Personalised residential supports

 

I'm here Darrell and Ross!!

 

Just busy doing "stuff"and assisting my daughter to get a good life!!

Also, playing golf and almost winning the monthly medal. - Lost on a count
back on Tuesday!!

You see, I am also trying to get myself a good life

 

Hope you are all fine

Maureen

----- Original Message ----- 

From: Family Voices <mailto:familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com>  

To: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com 

Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 8:11 AM

Subject: Re: FV: Personalised residential supports

 

Ross is wondering if we all fell of the planet. Just checking the server to
see if it is working.

Darrell

 

From: familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com
[mailto:familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com] On Behalf Of Family
Voices
Sent: Thursday, 20 August 2009 6:56 AM
To: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com
Subject: Re: FV: Personalised residential supports

 

Hallo Ross,

 

 Thanks for these documents I will find them very useful. I will have some
trouble adding them to my files but I am sure I will find space.

 

Regards,

 

Brenda.

On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 9:45 AM, Family Voices
<familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com> wrote:

Hi Canadian travelling cousins and others who look in on the list,

Just in case you haven't all seen this already I thought I'd share this
stuff from Errol Cocks and Ross Boaden which is exploring how people can
be supported to have highly personalised support in the places they
live.  Some terrific stuff and lovely to have this documented.

Best wishes to you all,  Ross

 

 

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database 4343 (20090817) __________

 

The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.

 

http://www.eset.com

 

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database 4357 (20090821) __________

 

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From familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com  Wed Sep  2 22:41:58 2009
From: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com (Family Voices)
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 15:41:58 +1000
Subject: FV: Maureen and golf
References: <D3454EBD13D14579B7B43B4F79CBA49C@D8XYGK1S>	<E616E829790DF645886A21360AFB42B318F923@sbs2003.CLP.local><1d4342460908191556y394711b5y844c3124a2a25960@mail.gmail.com>	<001c01ca2c1a$5c0f2a30$142d7e90$@com><93B96DA384404D17812A51C650B89541@D8XYGK1S>
	<006301ca2c38$b52482a0$1f6d87e0$@com>
Message-ID: <16855EC961654978AB100C001373BB7A@D8XYGK1S>

I like that one! I'll remember that !
And here I am always thinking "Fanny to the flag!"
Maureen
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Family Voices 
  To: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com 
  Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 11:48 AM
  Subject: Re: FV: Maureen and golf


  Thanks Maureen. Now we know we are still on air and Ross hasn't been left out.

   

  PS, Congrats on golf.

  Is it true that the difference between golf and government is that in golf you can't improve your lie?

  dw

   

  From: familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com [mailto:familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com] On Behalf Of Family Voices
  Sent: Thursday, 3 September 2009 8:07 AM
  To: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com
  Subject: Re: FV: Personalised residential supports

   

  I'm here Darrell and Ross!!

   

  Just busy doing "stuff"and assisting my daughter to get a good life!!

  Also, playing golf and almost winning the monthly medal. - Lost on a count back on Tuesday!!

  You see, I am also trying to get myself a good life

   

  Hope you are all fine

  Maureen

    ----- Original Message ----- 

    From: Family Voices 

    To: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com 

    Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 8:11 AM

    Subject: Re: FV: Personalised residential supports

     

    Ross is wondering if we all fell of the planet. Just checking the server to see if it is working.

    Darrell

     

    From: familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com [mailto:familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com] On Behalf Of Family Voices
    Sent: Thursday, 20 August 2009 6:56 AM
    To: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com
    Subject: Re: FV: Personalised residential supports

     

    Hallo Ross,

     

     Thanks for these documents I will find them very useful. I will have some trouble adding them to my files but I am sure I will find space.

     

    Regards,

     

    Brenda.

    On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 9:45 AM, Family Voices <familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com> wrote:

    Hi Canadian travelling cousins and others who look in on the list,

    Just in case you haven't all seen this already I thought I'd share this
    stuff from Errol Cocks and Ross Boaden which is exploring how people can
    be supported to have highly personalised support in the places they
    live.  Some terrific stuff and lovely to have this documented.

    Best wishes to you all,  Ross

     

     

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    The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.

     

    http://www.eset.com

     

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From familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com  Thu Sep  3 00:16:49 2009
From: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com (Family Voices)
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 17:16:49 +1000
Subject: FV: Maureen and golf
In-Reply-To: <16855EC961654978AB100C001373BB7A@D8XYGK1S>
References: <D3454EBD13D14579B7B43B4F79CBA49C@D8XYGK1S>	<E616E829790DF645886A21360AFB42B318F923@sbs2003.CLP.local><1d4342460908191556y394711b5y844c3124a2a25960@mail.gmail.com>	<001c01ca2c1a$5c0f2a30$142d7e90$@com><93B96DA384404D17812A51C650B89541@D8XYGK1S>
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Hi all we are here too. In wArwick doing greAt things with great  
people showing others how lucky we are as familes!! I also have Sarah  
with me doing work stuff so I am the proudest peacock !!

Love to all

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 3, 2009, at 3:41 PM, Family Voices <familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com 
 > wrote:

> I like that one! I'll remember that !
> And here I am always thinking "Fanny to the flag!"
> Maureen
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Family Voices
> To: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com
> Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 11:48 AM
> Subject: Re: FV: Maureen and golf
>
> Thanks Maureen. Now we know we are still on air and Ross hasn?t been 
>  left out.
>
>
>
> PS, Congrats on golf.
>
> Is it true that the difference between golf and government is that  
> in golf you can't improve your lie?
>
> dw
>
>
>
> From: familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com  
> [mailto:familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com] On Behalf Of  
> Family Voices
> Sent: Thursday, 3 September 2009 8:07 AM
> To: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com
> Subject: Re: FV: Personalised residential supports
>
>
>
> I'm here Darrell and Ross!!
>
>
>
> Just busy doing "stuff"and assisting my daughter to get a good life!!
>
> Also, playing golf and almost winning the monthly medal. - Lost on a  
> count back on Tuesday!!
>
> You see, I am also trying to get myself a good life
>
>
>
> Hope you are all fine
>
> Maureen
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Family Voices
>
> To: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com
>
> Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 8:11 AM
>
> Subject: Re: FV: Personalised residential supports
>
>
>
> Ross is wondering if we all fell of the planet. Just checking the  
> server to see if it is working.
>
> Darrell
>
>
>
> From: familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com  
> [mailto:familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com] On Behalf  
> Of      Family Voices
> Sent: Thursday, 20 August 2009 6:56 AM
> To: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com
> Subject: Re: FV: Personalised residential supports
>
>
>
> Hallo Ross,
>
>
>
>  Thanks for these documents I will find them very useful. I will  
> have some trouble adding them to my files but I am sure I will find  
> space.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> Brenda.
>
> On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 9:45 AM, Family Voices <familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com 
> > wrote:
>
> Hi Canadian travelling cousins and others who look in on the list,
>
> Just in case you haven't all seen this already I thought I'd share  
> this
> stuff from Errol Cocks and Ross Boaden which is exploring how people  
> can
> be supported to have highly personalised support in the places they
> live.  Some terrific stuff and lovely to have this documented.
>
> Best wishes to you all,  Ross
>
>
>
>
>
> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus  
> signature database 4343 (20090817) __________
>
>
>
> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.
>
>
>
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>
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>
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From familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com  Thu Sep  3 00:50:52 2009
From: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com (Family Voices)
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 15:50:52 +0800
Subject: FV: Maureen and golf
References: <D3454EBD13D14579B7B43B4F79CBA49C@D8XYGK1S>	<E616E829790DF645886A21360AFB42B318F923@sbs2003.CLP.local><1d4342460908191556y394711b5y844c3124a2a25960@mail.gmail.com>	<001c01ca2c1a$5c0f2a30$142d7e90$@com><93B96DA384404D17812A51C650B89541@D8XYGK1S><006301ca2c38$b52482a0$1f6d87e0$@com><16855EC961654978AB100C001373BB7A@D8XYGK1S>
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Message-ID: <2B802AD401C741539053507179FB5760@hp>

yes still here doing stuff i hope to have some photos up soon of elliot doing a scuba diving course.
Cheers Al from the Kimberley.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Family Voices 
  To: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com 
  Cc: <familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com> 
  Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 3:16 PM
  Subject: Re: FV: Maureen and golf


  Hi all we are here too. In wArwick doing greAt things with great people showing others how lucky we are as familes!! I also have Sarah with me doing work stuff so I am the proudest peacock !!


  Love to all

  Sent from my iPhone

  On Sep 3, 2009, at 3:41 PM, Family Voices <familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com> wrote:


    I like that one! I'll remember that !
    And here I am always thinking "Fanny to the flag!"
    Maureen
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Family Voices 
      To: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com 
      Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 11:48 AM
      Subject: Re: FV: Maureen and golf


      Thanks Maureen. Now we know we are still on air and Ross hasn?t been left out.



      PS, Congrats on golf.

      Is it true that the difference between golf and government is that in golf you can't improve your lie?

      dw



      From: familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com [mailto:familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com] On Behalf Of Family Voices
      Sent: Thursday, 3 September 2009 8:07 AM
      To: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com
      Subject: Re: FV: Personalised residential supports



      I'm here Darrell and Ross!!



      Just busy doing "stuff"and assisting my daughter to get a good life!!

      Also, playing golf and almost winning the monthly medal. - Lost on a count back on Tuesday!!

      You see, I am also trying to get myself a good life



      Hope you are all fine

      Maureen

        ----- Original Message ----- 

        From: Family Voices 

        To: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com 

        Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 8:11 AM

        Subject: Re: FV: Personalised residential supports



        Ross is wondering if we all fell of the planet. Just checking the server to see if it is working.

        Darrell



        From: familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com [mailto:familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com] On Behalf Of Family Voices
        Sent: Thursday, 20 August 2009 6:56 AM
        To: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com
        Subject: Re: FV: Personalised residential supports



        Hallo Ross,



         Thanks for these documents I will find them very useful. I will have some trouble adding them to my files but I am sure I will find space.



        Regards,



        Brenda.

        On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 9:45 AM, Family Voices <familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com> wrote:

        Hi Canadian travelling cousins and others who look in on the list,

        Just in case you haven't all seen this already I thought I'd share this
        stuff from Errol Cocks and Ross Boaden which is exploring how people can
        be supported to have highly personalised support in the places they
        live.  Some terrific stuff and lovely to have this documented.

        Best wishes to you all,  Ross





        __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4343 (20090817) __________



        The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.



        http://www.eset.com



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        http://www.eset.com



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        The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.



        http://www.eset.com



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From familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com  Thu Sep  3 21:25:18 2009
From: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com (Family Voices)
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 13:55:18 +0930
Subject: FV: Personalised residential supports
References: <D3454EBD13D14579B7B43B4F79CBA49C@D8XYGK1S>	<E616E829790DF645886A21360AFB42B318F923@sbs2003.CLP.local><1d4342460908191556y394711b5y844c3124a2a25960@mail.gmail.com><001c01ca2c1a$5c0f2a30$142d7e90$@com>
	<93B96DA384404D17812A51C650B89541@D8XYGK1S>
Message-ID: <E616E829790DF645886A21360AFB42B318FB51@sbs2003.CLP.local>

FOUR!

 

From: familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com
[mailto:familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com] On Behalf Of
Family Voices
Sent: Thursday, 3 September 2009 9:37 AM
To: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com
Subject: Re: FV: Personalised residential supports

 

I'm here Darrell and Ross!!

 

Just busy doing "stuff"and assisting my daughter to get a good life!!

Also, playing golf and almost winning the monthly medal. - Lost on a
count back on Tuesday!!

You see, I am also trying to get myself a good life

 

Hope you are all fine

Maureen

	----- Original Message ----- 

	From: Family Voices
<mailto:familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com>  

	To: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com 

	Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 8:11 AM

	Subject: Re: FV: Personalised residential supports

	 

	Ross is wondering if we all fell of the planet. Just checking
the server to see if it is working.

	Darrell

	 

	From: familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com
[mailto:familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com] On Behalf Of
Family Voices
	Sent: Thursday, 20 August 2009 6:56 AM
	To: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com
	Subject: Re: FV: Personalised residential supports

	 

	Hallo Ross,

	 

	 Thanks for these documents I will find them very useful. I will
have some trouble adding them to my files but I am sure I will find
space.

	 

	Regards,

	 

	Brenda.

	On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 9:45 AM, Family Voices
<familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com> wrote:

	Hi Canadian travelling cousins and others who look in on the
list,
	
	Just in case you haven't all seen this already I thought I'd
share this
	stuff from Errol Cocks and Ross Boaden which is exploring how
people can
	be supported to have highly personalised support in the places
they
	live.  Some terrific stuff and lovely to have this documented.
	
	Best wishes to you all,  Ross

	 

	 

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From: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com (Family Voices)
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 14:06:36 +0930
Subject: FV: FW: Ontario Report - A home that is right for me!
Message-ID: <E616E829790DF645886A21360AFB42B318FB53@sbs2003.CLP.local>

Another interesting report that some may have already seen and others
may find encouraging and helpful.

Pleased to hear everyone is still out there!

Regards and best wishes,  Ross
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From familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com  Sun Sep  6 22:34:30 2009
From: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com (Family Voices)
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 15:34:30 +1000
Subject: FV: Maureen and golf
In-Reply-To: <2B802AD401C741539053507179FB5760@hp>
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Hi al

did you get to talk to Sally and Claire?

cheers Jane
On 03-Sep-09, at 5:50 PM, Family Voices wrote:

> yes still here doing stuff i hope to have some photos up soon of  
> elliot doing a scuba diving course.
> Cheers Al from the Kimberley.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Family Voices
> To: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com
> Cc: <familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com>
> Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 3:16 PM
> Subject: Re: FV: Maureen and golf
>
> Hi all we are here too. In wArwick doing greAt things with great  
> people showing others how lucky we are as familes!! I also have  
> Sarah with me doing work stuff so I am the proudest peacock !!
>
> Love to all
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 3, 2009, at 3:41 PM, Family Voices <familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com 
> > wrote:
>
>> I like that one! I'll remember that !
>> And here I am always thinking "Fanny to the flag!"
>> Maureen
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Family Voices
>> To: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com
>> Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 11:48 AM
>> Subject: Re: FV: Maureen and golf
>>
>> Thanks Maureen. Now we know we are still on air and Ross hasn?t  
>> been left out.
>>
>>
>> PS, Congrats on golf.
>>
>> Is it true that the difference between golf and government is that  
>> in golf you can't improve your lie?
>>
>> dw
>>
>>
>> From: familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com [mailto:familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com 
>> ] On Behalf Of Family Voices
>> Sent: Thursday, 3 September 2009 8:07 AM
>> To: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com
>> Subject: Re: FV: Personalised residential supports
>>
>>
>> I'm here Darrell and Ross!!
>>
>>
>> Just busy doing "stuff"and assisting my daughter to get a good life!!
>>
>> Also, playing golf and almost winning the monthly medal. - Lost on  
>> a count back on Tuesday!!
>>
>> You see, I am also trying to get myself a good life
>>
>>
>> Hope you are all fine
>>
>> Maureen
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>> From: Family Voices
>>
>> To: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com
>>
>> Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 8:11 AM
>>
>> Subject: Re: FV: Personalised residential supports
>>
>>
>> Ross is wondering if we all fell of the planet. Just checking the  
>> server to see if it is working.
>>
>> Darrell
>>
>>
>> From: familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com [mailto:familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com 
>> ] On Behalf Of Family Voices
>> Sent: Thursday, 20 August 2009 6:56 AM
>> To: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com
>> Subject: Re: FV: Personalised residential supports
>>
>>
>> Hallo Ross,
>>
>>
>>  Thanks for these documents I will find them very useful. I will  
>> have some trouble adding them to my files but I am sure I will find  
>> space.
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>
>> Brenda.
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 9:45 AM, Family Voices <familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com 
>> > wrote:
>>
>> Hi Canadian travelling cousins and others who look in on the list,
>>
>> Just in case you haven't all seen this already I thought I'd share  
>> this
>> stuff from Errol Cocks and Ross Boaden which is exploring how  
>> people can
>> be supported to have highly personalised support in the places they
>> live.  Some terrific stuff and lovely to have this documented.
>>
>> Best wishes to you all,  Ross
>>
>>
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From: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com (Family Voices)
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 20:12:42 +0800
Subject: FV: Maureen and golf
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Hi Jane 
Had a great chat with Sally a while back. Thanks for linking us up i will be talking to her again.
We are all doing well here, Elliot is not goinr to boarding school. just to far away.
but he is happy to be staying here, with some good things happening with a group of local kids.
Cheers Al
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Family Voices 
  To: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com 
  Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 1:34 PM
  Subject: Re: FV: Maureen and golf


  Hi al


  did you get to talk to Sally and Claire?


  cheers Jane

  On 03-Sep-09, at 5:50 PM, Family Voices wrote:


    yes still here doing stuff i hope to have some photos up soon of elliot doing a scuba diving course.
    Cheers Al from the Kimberley.
      ----- Original Message -----
      From: Family Voices
      To: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com
      Cc: <familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com>
      Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 3:16 PM
      Subject: Re: FV: Maureen and golf


      Hi all we are here too. In wArwick doing greAt things with great people showing others how lucky we are as familes!! I also have Sarah with me doing work stuff so I am the proudest peacock !!


      Love to all

      Sent from my iPhone

      On Sep 3, 2009, at 3:41 PM, Family Voices <familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com> wrote:


        I like that one! I'll remember that !
        And here I am always thinking "Fanny to the flag!"
        Maureen
          ----- Original Message -----
          From: Family Voices
          To: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com
          Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 11:48 AM
          Subject: Re: FV: Maureen and golf


          Thanks Maureen. Now we know we are still on air and Ross hasn?t been left out.


          PS, Congrats on golf.

          Is it true that the difference between golf and government is that in golf you can't improve your lie?

          dw


          From: familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com [mailto:familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com] On Behalf Of Family Voices
          Sent: Thursday, 3 September 2009 8:07 AM
          To: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com
          Subject: Re: FV: Personalised residential supports


          I'm here Darrell and Ross!!


          Just busy doing "stuff"and assisting my daughter to get a good life!!

          Also, playing golf and almost winning the monthly medal. - Lost on a count back on Tuesday!!

          You see, I am also trying to get myself a good life


          Hope you are all fine

          Maureen

            ----- Original Message -----

            From: Family Voices

            To: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com

            Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 8:11 AM

            Subject: Re: FV: Personalised residential supports


            Ross is wondering if we all fell of the planet. Just checking the server to see if it is working.

            Darrell


            From: familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com [mailto:familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com] On Behalf Of Family Voices
            Sent: Thursday, 20 August 2009 6:56 AM
            To: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com
            Subject: Re: FV: Personalised residential supports


            Hallo Ross,


             Thanks for these documents I will find them very useful. I will have some trouble adding them to my files but I am sure I will find space.


            Regards,


            Brenda.

            On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 9:45 AM, Family Voices <familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com> wrote:

            Hi Canadian travelling cousins and others who look in on the list,

            Just in case you haven't all seen this already I thought I'd share this
            stuff from Errol Cocks and Ross Boaden which is exploring how people can
            be supported to have highly personalised support in the places they
            live.  Some terrific stuff and lovely to have this documented.

            Best wishes to you all,  Ross



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From familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com  Wed Sep 16 04:12:45 2009
From: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com (Family Voices)
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 21:12:45 +1000
Subject: FV: irony of inclusion officers
In-Reply-To: <B21955F52AC04003A24C5B9036B8CF0D@hp>
Message-ID: <85ikce$d477be@ipmail04.adl2.internode.on.net>

Hi All
Thought I'd share this with you.
Mac's school have been more than happy to meet our request that Mac is not
unnecessarily at the mercy of adults in the playground and or in the
classroom.  So the senior kids have been able to push him around the
playground and the classmates within the classroom or with assistance from
the aide when moving from inside to out etc.
They even had a roster for lunchtimes among the seniors so they could better
balance the demand.
Enter the local "INTEGRATION OFFICER from DET" responsible for assisting
with inclusion etc who said.. "this is not to happen - this is against the
rules" and subsequently legal services have also advised the school.
So we now have a school of 'outraged children' because "DET SUCK" according
to them LOL.
We have always said we are happy to sign anything then need to allow Mac to
be pushed by other children.  We have a safety strap on his chair and we
have safety glasses for him to wear.  If he has a stack, so be it,he is six
and a boy and would have had hundreds of stacks by now if he was able
bodied.
 I have written to DET to find out how we can change this.  Some schools
have licencing programs where the kids get trained as wheelchair attendants,
maybe this is to cover off the legal requirements.
 Does anyone have any examples of how it works in their school.  I am all
for the dignity of risk but sadly our school has rolled over on it and
chosen not to fight it or even investigate how it might be possible - I am
not impressed by that considering they say how much they want to support all
students yet as soon as it gets a little difficult they wimp out.  They have
indicated they wouldn't obstruct me challenging it (me doing the work again
- ugh).
So while I am pretty p'd off about it, possible not as much as the kids are
though which is pretty funny.  Today some of them said they wanted to write
to DET and tell them they suck (I have suggested maybe just give me a chance
to sort it out first.
Interestingly the teachers and aides are noticing the 'vibe' has changed.
nothing like a revolution started by the 10 year olds of the world.
Sheesh, why can't bureaucratic adults get themselves out of my child's life
and let us be his parents and decide what is ok for him.
This came on the back of Mac not going to school last Friday because there
was 'simply no aide available for him'.  We told them they could do it once
but not again (subsequent suggestion I am 'mean spirited and unfair and
aggressive' by saying my child wouldn't be having any more days off as a
result of their staffing incompetencies).  Ugh, this is tiring and it is
only Kindergarten.
Cheers (surprisingly I am still smiling, kind of bemused maybe simply
bonkers)
Gina
 
 

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From familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com  Wed Sep 16 04:20:51 2009
From: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com (Family Voices)
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 19:20:51 +0800
Subject: FV: irony of inclusion officers
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Hey Gina

 

This totally sucks.

 

Big time.

 

Kids at eli's school have been pushing eli around for years.

 

Would it be better, rather than you challenging them, for you to ask for the
policy documents which explain this? I doubt they have any.... 

 

I'm thinking about all of the kids camps etc where kids volunteer to help
other kids with disabilities. It is certainly allowed in lots of other
scenarios.

 

I'll see if I can find anything else out.

 

Jaquie J

 

From: familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com
[mailto:familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com] On Behalf Of Family
Voices
Sent: Wednesday, 16 September 2009 7:13 PM
To: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com
Subject: FV: irony of inclusion officers

 

Hi All

Thought I'd share this with you.

Mac's school have been more than happy to meet our request that Mac is not
unnecessarily at the mercy of adults in the playground and or in the
classroom.  So the senior kids have been able to push him around the
playground and the classmates within the classroom or with assistance from
the aide when moving from inside to out etc.

They even had a roster for lunchtimes among the seniors so they could better
balance the demand.

Enter the local "INTEGRATION OFFICER from DET" responsible for assisting
with inclusion etc who said.. "this is not to happen - this is against the
rules" and subsequently legal services have also advised the school.

So we now have a school of 'outraged children' because "DET SUCK" according
to them LOL.

We have always said we are happy to sign anything then need to allow Mac to
be pushed by other children.  We have a safety strap on his chair and we
have safety glasses for him to wear.  If he has a stack, so be it,he is six
and a boy and would have had hundreds of stacks by now if he was able
bodied.

 I have written to DET to find out how we can change this.  Some schools
have licencing programs where the kids get trained as wheelchair attendants,
maybe this is to cover off the legal requirements.

 Does anyone have any examples of how it works in their school.  I am all
for the dignity of risk but sadly our school has rolled over on it and
chosen not to fight it or even investigate how it might be possible - I am
not impressed by that considering they say how much they want to support all
students yet as soon as it gets a little difficult they wimp out.  They have
indicated they wouldn't obstruct me challenging it (me doing the work again
- ugh).

So while I am pretty p'd off about it, possible not as much as the kids are
though which is pretty funny.  Today some of them said they wanted to write
to DET and tell them they suck (I have suggested maybe just give me a chance
to sort it out first.

Interestingly the teachers and aides are noticing the 'vibe' has changed.
nothing like a revolution started by the 10 year olds of the world.

Sheesh, why can't bureaucratic adults get themselves out of my child's life
and let us be his parents and decide what is ok for him.

This came on the back of Mac not going to school last Friday because there
was 'simply no aide available for him'.  We told them they could do it once
but not again (subsequent suggestion I am 'mean spirited and unfair and
aggressive' by saying my child wouldn't be having any more days off as a
result of their staffing incompetencies).  Ugh, this is tiring and it is
only Kindergarten.

Cheers (surprisingly I am still smiling, kind of bemused maybe simply
bonkers)

Gina

 

 

 

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From familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com  Wed Sep 16 04:30:27 2009
From: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com (Family Voices)
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 21:30:27 +1000
Subject: FV: irony of inclusion officers
In-Reply-To: <007e01ca36bf$bfaadda0$3f0098e0$@net.au>
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Thanks Jac would appreciate it.
 
I will get the name of the person in legal services tomorrow and ask them to
forward me the docs.
 
Gina
  _____  

From: familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com
[mailto:familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com] On Behalf Of Family
Voices
Sent: Wednesday, 16 September 2009 9:21 PM
To: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com
Subject: Re: FV: irony of inclusion officers
 
Hey Gina
 
This totally sucks.
 
Big time.
 
Kids at eli's school have been pushing eli around for years.
 
Would it be better, rather than you challenging them, for you to ask for the
policy documents which explain this? I doubt they have any.... 
 
I'm thinking about all of the kids camps etc where kids volunteer to help
other kids with disabilities. It is certainly allowed in lots of other
scenarios.
 
I'll see if I can find anything else out.
 
Jaquie :-)
 
From: familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com
[mailto:familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com] On Behalf Of Family
Voices
Sent: Wednesday, 16 September 2009 7:13 PM
To: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com
Subject: FV: irony of inclusion officers
 
Hi All
Thought I'd share this with you.
Mac's school have been more than happy to meet our request that Mac is not
unnecessarily at the mercy of adults in the playground and or in the
classroom.  So the senior kids have been able to push him around the
playground and the classmates within the classroom or with assistance from
the aide when moving from inside to out etc.
They even had a roster for lunchtimes among the seniors so they could better
balance the demand.
Enter the local "INTEGRATION OFFICER from DET" responsible for assisting
with inclusion etc who said.. "this is not to happen - this is against the
rules" and subsequently legal services have also advised the school.
So we now have a school of 'outraged children' because "DET SUCK" according
to them LOL.
We have always said we are happy to sign anything then need to allow Mac to
be pushed by other children.  We have a safety strap on his chair and we
have safety glasses for him to wear.  If he has a stack, so be it,he is six
and a boy and would have had hundreds of stacks by now if he was able
bodied.
 I have written to DET to find out how we can change this.  Some schools
have licencing programs where the kids get trained as wheelchair attendants,
maybe this is to cover off the legal requirements.
 Does anyone have any examples of how it works in their school.  I am all
for the dignity of risk but sadly our school has rolled over on it and
chosen not to fight it or even investigate how it might be possible - I am
not impressed by that considering they say how much they want to support all
students yet as soon as it gets a little difficult they wimp out.  They have
indicated they wouldn't obstruct me challenging it (me doing the work again
- ugh).
So while I am pretty p'd off about it, possible not as much as the kids are
though which is pretty funny.  Today some of them said they wanted to write
to DET and tell them they suck (I have suggested maybe just give me a chance
to sort it out first.
Interestingly the teachers and aides are noticing the 'vibe' has changed.
nothing like a revolution started by the 10 year olds of the world.
Sheesh, why can't bureaucratic adults get themselves out of my child's life
and let us be his parents and decide what is ok for him.
This came on the back of Mac not going to school last Friday because there
was 'simply no aide available for him'.  We told them they could do it once
but not again (subsequent suggestion I am 'mean spirited and unfair and
aggressive' by saying my child wouldn't be having any more days off as a
result of their staffing incompetencies).  Ugh, this is tiring and it is
only Kindergarten.
Cheers (surprisingly I am still smiling, kind of bemused maybe simply
bonkers)
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From: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com (Family Voices)
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 19:58:37 +0800
Subject: FV: irony of inclusion officers
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Yes, this sucks.
I love the spirit of the 10 year olds and suggest you encourage their
teachers to allow/nurture them to express and develop their democratic
"rights". THEY have a right to interact with their friend and they are being
banned from this. Flipped on its head this way, it is not just about the
"rights of the disabled kid" but the rights of the kids to interact in a way
THEY want to ...period. "Big brother" should butt out. The press would love
to hear from them. So would the public and the DET would sure NOT like that.

I have worked with children in Queensland as well as extensively WA around
problem solving around these sort of issues. It is a wonderful opportunity
for them to express themselves, figure out what is safety and what is
dignity of risk and what is just plain stupid bureaucracy, coving its
back-side or worse - pushing a barrow of making your son a demarcated
"employment issue" - the sole domain of a TA.

GO Mac and Friends! 
Darrell      

		From: familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com
[mailto:familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com] On Behalf Of Family
Voices
		Sent: Wednesday, 16 September 2009 7:13 PM
		To: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com
		Subject: FV: irony of inclusion officers
		
		Hi All
		Thought I'd share this with you.
		Mac's school have been more than happy to meet our request
that Mac is not unnecessarily at the mercy of adults in the playground and
or in the classroom.  So the senior kids have been able to push him around
the playground and the classmates within the classroom or with assistance
from the aide when moving from inside to out etc.
		They even had a roster for lunchtimes among the seniors so
they could better balance the demand.
		Enter the local "INTEGRATION OFFICER from DET" responsible
for assisting with inclusion etc who said.. "this is not to happen - this is
against the rules" and subsequently legal services have also advised the
school.
		So we now have a school of 'outraged children' because "DET
SUCK" according to them LOL.
		We have always said we are happy to sign anything then need
to allow Mac to be pushed by other children.  We have a safety strap on his
chair and we have safety glasses for him to wear.  If he has a stack, so be
it,he is six and a boy and would have had hundreds of stacks by now if he
was able bodied.
		 I have written to DET to find out how we can change this.
Some schools have licencing programs where the kids get trained as
wheelchair attendants, maybe this is to cover off the legal requirements.
		 Does anyone have any examples of how it works in their
school.  I am all for the dignity of risk but sadly our school has rolled
over on it and chosen not to fight it or even investigate how it might be
possible - I am not impressed by that considering they say how much they
want to support all students yet as soon as it gets a little difficult they
wimp out.  They have indicated they wouldn't obstruct me challenging it (me
doing the work again - ugh).
		So while I am pretty p'd off about it, possible not as much
as the kids are though which is pretty funny.  Today some of them said they
wanted to write to DET and tell them they suck (I have suggested maybe just
give me a chance to sort it out first.
		Interestingly the teachers and aides are noticing the 'vibe'
has changed...  nothing like a revolution started by the 10 year olds of the
world.
		Sheesh, why can't bureaucratic adults get themselves out of
my child's life and let us be his parents and decide what is ok for him.
		This came on the back of Mac not going to school last Friday
because there was 'simply no aide available for him'.  We told them they
could do it once but not again (subsequent suggestion I am 'mean spirited
and unfair and aggressive' by saying my child wouldn't be having any more
days off as a result of their staffing incompetencies).  Ugh, this is tiring
and it is only Kindergarten.
		Cheers (surprisingly I am still smiling, kind of bemused
maybe simply bonkers)
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From familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com  Wed Sep 16 05:56:39 2009
From: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com (Family Voices)
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 22:56:39 +1000
Subject: FV: irony of inclusion officers
In-Reply-To: <00a501ca36c5$069a4070$13cec150$@com>
Message-ID: <85ikce$d47vot@ipmail04.adl2.internode.on.net>

Thanks Daryl

Once we get the info from DET we will plan our approach.  Thankfully we have
some reasonable contacts within the media and within DET too.

Should have seen the kids eyes light up at one stage when I was trying to
explain the process and tell them we have to be clever about how we go about
getting a change in the rules... then I said as a throw away thought "when
we get the info we will see if it is only wheelchairs kids aren't allowed to
push, because maybe if Mac brings his bike trailer/jogger conversion for the
playground maybe they can't stop that happening...  seeing that revelation
in their eyes, that instant they learn about a new concept (in this instance
'legal loopholes' LOL) - they were hooked.  They were saying, yeah, well
maybe the rules don't say we can't push a 'stroller', I know that's kind of
babyish but if it means we still get to push our 'best friend' then it would
be OK".

I love these kids - they are amazing - to not only grasp the concept in
general terms but also be able to innately recognize some of those 'SRV'
issues like 'non age appropriate stroller' but see it might be a means to an
end...   

Gina

_____________________________________________
From: familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com
[mailto:familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com] On Behalf Of Family
Voices
Sent: Wednesday, 16 September 2009 9:59 PM
To: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com
Subject: Re: FV: irony of inclusion officers

Yes, this sucks.

I love the spirit of the 10 year olds and suggest you encourage their
teachers to allow/nurture them to express and develop their democratic
"rights". THEY have a right to interact with their friend and they are being
banned from this. Flipped on its head this way, it is not just about the
"rights of the disabled kid" but the rights of the kids to interact in a way
THEY want to ...period. "Big brother" should butt out. The press would love
to hear from them. So would the public and the DET would sure NOT like that.

I have worked with children in Queensland as well as extensively WA around
problem solving around these sort of issues. It is a wonderful opportunity
for them to express themselves, figure out what is safety and what is
dignity of risk and what is just plain stupid bureaucracy, coving its
back-side or worse - pushing a barrow of making your son a demarcated
"employment issue" - the sole domain of a TA.

GO Mac and Friends! 

Darrell      

	From: familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com
[mailto:familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com] On Behalf Of Family
Voices
Sent: Wednesday, 16 September 2009 7:13 PM
To: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com
Subject: FV: irony of inclusion officers

	Hi All

	Thought I'd share this with you.

	Mac's school have been more than happy to meet our request that Mac
is not unnecessarily at the mercy of adults in the playground and or in the
classroom.  So the senior kids have been able to push him around the
playground and the classmates within the classroom or with assistance from
the aide when moving from inside to out etc.

	They even had a roster for lunchtimes among the seniors so they
could better balance the demand.

	Enter the local "INTEGRATION OFFICER from DET" responsible for
assisting with inclusion etc who said.. "this is not to happen - this is
against the rules" and subsequently legal services have also advised the
school.

	So we now have a school of 'outraged children' because "DET SUCK"
according to them LOL.

	We have always said we are happy to sign anything then need to allow
Mac to be pushed by other children.  We have a safety strap on his chair and
we have safety glasses for him to wear.  If he has a stack, so be it,he is
six and a boy and would have had hundreds of stacks by now if he was able
bodied.

	 I have written to DET to find out how we can change this.  Some
schools have licencing programs where the kids get trained as wheelchair
attendants, maybe this is to cover off the legal requirements.

	 Does anyone have any examples of how it works in their school.  I
am all for the dignity of risk but sadly our school has rolled over on it
and chosen not to fight it or even investigate how it might be possible - I
am not impressed by that considering they say how much they want to support
all students yet as soon as it gets a little difficult they wimp out.  They
have indicated they wouldn't obstruct me challenging it (me doing the work
again - ugh).

	So while I am pretty p'd off about it, possible not as much as the
kids are though which is pretty funny.  Today some of them said they wanted
to write to DET and tell them they suck (I have suggested maybe just give me
a chance to sort it out first.

	Interestingly the teachers and aides are noticing the 'vibe' has
changed...  nothing like a revolution started by the 10 year olds of the
world.

	Sheesh, why can't bureaucratic adults get themselves out of my
child's life and let us be his parents and decide what is ok for him.

	This came on the back of Mac not going to school last Friday because
there was 'simply no aide available for him'.  We told them they could do it
once but not again (subsequent suggestion I am 'mean spirited and unfair and
aggressive' by saying my child wouldn't be having any more days off as a
result of their staffing incompetencies).  Ugh, this is tiring and it is
only Kindergarten.

	Cheers (surprisingly I am still smiling, kind of bemused maybe
simply bonkers)

	Gina

	 



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From familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com  Wed Sep 16 07:54:23 2009
From: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com (Family Voices)
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 22:54:23 +0800
Subject: FV: irony of inclusion officers
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Thats the best story ever Gina....you made me smile just before bed. Sweet,
hopeful dreams for me tonight...

 

Jaquie J

 

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Voices
Sent: Wednesday, 16 September 2009 8:57 PM
To: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com
Subject: Re: FV: irony of inclusion officers

 

Thanks Daryl

Once we get the info from DET we will plan our approach.  Thankfully we have
some reasonable contacts within the media and within DET too.

Should have seen the kids eyes light up at one stage when I was trying to
explain the process and tell them we have to be clever about how we go about
getting a change in the rules... then I said as a throw away thought "when
we get the info we will see if it is only wheelchairs kids aren't allowed to
push, because maybe if Mac brings his bike trailer/jogger conversion for the
playground maybe they can't stop that happening...  seeing that revelation
in their eyes, that instant they learn about a new concept (in this instance
'legal loopholes' LOL) - they were hooked.  They were saying, yeah, well
maybe the rules don't say we can't push a 'stroller', I know that's kind of
babyish but if it means we still get to push our 'best friend' then it would
be OK".

I love these kids - they are amazing - to not only grasp the concept in
general terms but also be able to innately recognize some of those 'SRV'
issues like 'non age appropriate stroller' but see it might be a means to an
end...   

Gina

_____________________________________________
From: familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com
[mailto:familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com] On Behalf Of Family
Voices
Sent: Wednesday, 16 September 2009 9:59 PM
To: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com
Subject: Re: FV: irony of inclusion officers

Yes, this sucks.

I love the spirit of the 10 year olds and suggest you encourage their
teachers to allow/nurture them to express and develop their democratic
"rights". THEY have a right to interact with their friend and they are being
banned from this. Flipped on its head this way, it is not just about the
"rights of the disabled kid" but the rights of the kids to interact in a way
THEY want to ...period. "Big brother" should butt out. The press would love
to hear from them. So would the public and the DET would sure NOT like that.

I have worked with children in Queensland as well as extensively WA around
problem solving around these sort of issues. It is a wonderful opportunity
for them to express themselves, figure out what is safety and what is
dignity of risk and what is just plain stupid bureaucracy, coving its
back-side or worse - pushing a barrow of making your son a demarcated
"employment issue" - the sole domain of a TA.

GO Mac and Friends! 

Darrell      

From: familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com
[mailto:familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com] On Behalf Of Family
Voices
Sent: Wednesday, 16 September 2009 7:13 PM
To: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com
Subject: FV: irony of inclusion officers

Hi All

Thought I'd share this with you.

Mac's school have been more than happy to meet our request that Mac is not
unnecessarily at the mercy of adults in the playground and or in the
classroom.  So the senior kids have been able to push him around the
playground and the classmates within the classroom or with assistance from
the aide when moving from inside to out etc.

They even had a roster for lunchtimes among the seniors so they could better
balance the demand.

Enter the local "INTEGRATION OFFICER from DET" responsible for assisting
with inclusion etc who said.. "this is not to happen - this is against the
rules" and subsequently legal services have also advised the school.

So we now have a school of 'outraged children' because "DET SUCK" according
to them LOL.

We have always said we are happy to sign anything then need to allow Mac to
be pushed by other children.  We have a safety strap on his chair and we
have safety glasses for him to wear.  If he has a stack, so be it,he is six
and a boy and would have had hundreds of stacks by now if he was able
bodied.

 I have written to DET to find out how we can change this.  Some schools
have licencing programs where the kids get trained as wheelchair attendants,
maybe this is to cover off the legal requirements.

 Does anyone have any examples of how it works in their school.  I am all
for the dignity of risk but sadly our school has rolled over on it and
chosen not to fight it or even investigate how it might be possible - I am
not impressed by that considering they say how much they want to support all
students yet as soon as it gets a little difficult they wimp out.  They have
indicated they wouldn't obstruct me challenging it (me doing the work again
- ugh).

So while I am pretty p'd off about it, possible not as much as the kids are
though which is pretty funny.  Today some of them said they wanted to write
to DET and tell them they suck (I have suggested maybe just give me a chance
to sort it out first.

Interestingly the teachers and aides are noticing the 'vibe' has changed...
nothing like a revolution started by the 10 year olds of the world.

Sheesh, why can't bureaucratic adults get themselves out of my child's life
and let us be his parents and decide what is ok for him.

This came on the back of Mac not going to school last Friday because there
was 'simply no aide available for him'.  We told them they could do it once
but not again (subsequent suggestion I am 'mean spirited and unfair and
aggressive' by saying my child wouldn't be having any more days off as a
result of their staffing incompetencies).  Ugh, this is tiring and it is
only Kindergarten.

Cheers (surprisingly I am still smiling, kind of bemused maybe simply
bonkers)

Gina

 

 

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From familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com  Wed Sep 16 14:56:32 2009
From: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com (Family Voices)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 07:56:32 +1000
Subject: FV: irony of inclusion officers
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Hi Gina
You go girl!  I think you have the very best allies with the kids.  To  
me this is inclusion working.
Please keep us posted.
Cheers Jane

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 16, 2009, at 10:56 PM, Family Voices <familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com 
 > wrote:

> Thanks Daryl
>
> Once we get the info from DET we will plan our approach.  Thankfully  
> we have
> some reasonable contacts within the media and within DET too.
>
> Should have seen the kids eyes light up at one stage when I was  
> trying to
> explain the process and tell them we have to be clever about how we  
> go about
> getting a change in the rules... then I said as a throw away thought  
> "when
> we get the info we will see if it is only wheelchairs kids aren't  
> allowed to
> push, because maybe if Mac brings his bike trailer/jogger conversion  
> for the
> playground maybe they can't stop that happening...  seeing that  
> revelation
> in their eyes, that instant they learn about a new concept (in this  
> instance
> 'legal loopholes' LOL) - they were hooked.  They were saying, yeah,  
> well
> maybe the rules don't say we can't push a 'stroller', I know that's  
> kind of
> babyish but if it means we still get to push our 'best friend' then  
> it would
> be OK".
>
> I love these kids - they are amazing - to not only grasp the concept  
> in
> general terms but also be able to innately recognize some of those  
> 'SRV'
> issues like 'non age appropriate stroller' but see it might be a  
> means to an
> end...
>
> Gina
>
> _____________________________________________
> From: familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com
> [mailto:familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com] On Behalf Of  
> Family
> Voices
> Sent: Wednesday, 16 September 2009 9:59 PM
> To: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com
> Subject: Re: FV: irony of inclusion officers
>
> Yes, this sucks.
>
> I love the spirit of the 10 year olds and suggest you encourage their
> teachers to allow/nurture them to express and develop their democratic
> "rights". THEY have a right to interact with their friend and they  
> are being
> banned from this. Flipped on its head this way, it is not just about  
> the
> "rights of the disabled kid" but the rights of the kids to interact  
> in a way
> THEY want to ...period. "Big brother" should butt out. The press  
> would love
> to hear from them. So would the public and the DET would sure NOT  
> like that.
>
> I have worked with children in Queensland as well as extensively WA  
> around
> problem solving around these sort of issues. It is a wonderful  
> opportunity
> for them to express themselves, figure out what is safety and what is
> dignity of risk and what is just plain stupid bureaucracy, coving its
> back-side or worse - pushing a barrow of making your son a demarcated
> "employment issue" - the sole domain of a TA.
>
> GO Mac and Friends!
>
> Darrell
>
>    From: familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com
> [mailto:familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com] On Behalf Of  
> Family
> Voices
> Sent: Wednesday, 16 September 2009 7:13 PM
> To: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com
> Subject: FV: irony of inclusion officers
>
>    Hi All
>
>    Thought I'd share this with you.
>
>    Mac's school have been more than happy to meet our request that Mac
> is not unnecessarily at the mercy of adults in the playground and or  
> in the
> classroom.  So the senior kids have been able to push him around the
> playground and the classmates within the classroom or with  
> assistance from
> the aide when moving from inside to out etc.
>
>    They even had a roster for lunchtimes among the seniors so they
> could better balance the demand.
>
>    Enter the local "INTEGRATION OFFICER from DET" responsible for
> assisting with inclusion etc who said.. "this is not to happen -  
> this is
> against the rules" and subsequently legal services have also advised  
> the
> school.
>
>    So we now have a school of 'outraged children' because "DET SUCK"
> according to them LOL.
>
>    We have always said we are happy to sign anything then need to  
> allow
> Mac to be pushed by other children.  We have a safety strap on his  
> chair and
> we have safety glasses for him to wear.  If he has a stack, so be  
> it,he is
> six and a boy and would have had hundreds of stacks by now if he was  
> able
> bodied.
>
>     I have written to DET to find out how we can change this.  Some
> schools have licencing programs where the kids get trained as  
> wheelchair
> attendants, maybe this is to cover off the legal requirements.
>
>     Does anyone have any examples of how it works in their school.  I
> am all for the dignity of risk but sadly our school has rolled over  
> on it
> and chosen not to fight it or even investigate how it might be  
> possible - I
> am not impressed by that considering they say how much they want to  
> support
> all students yet as soon as it gets a little difficult they wimp  
> out.  They
> have indicated they wouldn't obstruct me challenging it (me doing  
> the work
> again - ugh).
>
>    So while I am pretty p'd off about it, possible not as much as the
> kids are though which is pretty funny.  Today some of them said they  
> wanted
> to write to DET and tell them they suck (I have suggested maybe just  
> give me
> a chance to sort it out first.
>
>    Interestingly the teachers and aides are noticing the 'vibe' has
> changed...  nothing like a revolution started by the 10 year olds of  
> the
> world.
>
>    Sheesh, why can't bureaucratic adults get themselves out of my
> child's life and let us be his parents and decide what is ok for him.
>
>    This came on the back of Mac not going to school last Friday  
> because
> there was 'simply no aide available for him'.  We told them they  
> could do it
> once but not again (subsequent suggestion I am 'mean spirited and  
> unfair and
> aggressive' by saying my child wouldn't be having any more days off  
> as a
> result of their staffing incompetencies).  Ugh, this is tiring and  
> it is
> only Kindergarten.
>
>    Cheers (surprisingly I am still smiling, kind of bemused maybe
> simply bonkers)
>
>    Gina
>
>
>
>
>
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From familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com  Wed Sep 16 16:28:32 2009
From: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com (Family Voices)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 09:28:32 +1000
Subject: FV: irony of inclusion officers
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OH Gina!
How strong we all have to be for our kids ?
It never ceases to amaze me how much energy we parents need to have to be 
able to stand up for our kids.
He is only 6 for goodness sake. Surely the DET have more important issues to 
go and sort out.
I absolutely love the idea Darrell suggested about turning the scenario 
around and getting the school ground kids put forth their rights too...Love 
that one!!
Keep us posted Gina and Go GIRL!!!
(Should we be watching current affair???)
Maureen



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To: <familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 7:56 AM
Subject: Re: FV: irony of inclusion officers


> Hi Gina
> You go girl!  I think you have the very best allies with the kids.  To  me 
> this is inclusion working.
> Please keep us posted.
> Cheers Jane
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 16, 2009, at 10:56 PM, Family Voices 
> <familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com
> > wrote:
>
>> Thanks Daryl
>>
>> Once we get the info from DET we will plan our approach.  Thankfully  we 
>> have
>> some reasonable contacts within the media and within DET too.
>>
>> Should have seen the kids eyes light up at one stage when I was  trying 
>> to
>> explain the process and tell them we have to be clever about how we  go 
>> about
>> getting a change in the rules... then I said as a throw away thought 
>> "when
>> we get the info we will see if it is only wheelchairs kids aren't 
>> allowed to
>> push, because maybe if Mac brings his bike trailer/jogger conversion  for 
>> the
>> playground maybe they can't stop that happening...  seeing that 
>> revelation
>> in their eyes, that instant they learn about a new concept (in this 
>> instance
>> 'legal loopholes' LOL) - they were hooked.  They were saying, yeah,  well
>> maybe the rules don't say we can't push a 'stroller', I know that's  kind 
>> of
>> babyish but if it means we still get to push our 'best friend' then  it 
>> would
>> be OK".
>>
>> I love these kids - they are amazing - to not only grasp the concept  in
>> general terms but also be able to innately recognize some of those  'SRV'
>> issues like 'non age appropriate stroller' but see it might be a  means 
>> to an
>> end...
>>
>> Gina
>>
>> _____________________________________________
>> From: familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com
>> [mailto:familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com] On Behalf Of 
>> Family
>> Voices
>> Sent: Wednesday, 16 September 2009 9:59 PM
>> To: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com
>> Subject: Re: FV: irony of inclusion officers
>>
>> Yes, this sucks.
>>
>> I love the spirit of the 10 year olds and suggest you encourage their
>> teachers to allow/nurture them to express and develop their democratic
>> "rights". THEY have a right to interact with their friend and they  are 
>> being
>> banned from this. Flipped on its head this way, it is not just about  the
>> "rights of the disabled kid" but the rights of the kids to interact  in a 
>> way
>> THEY want to ...period. "Big brother" should butt out. The press  would 
>> love
>> to hear from them. So would the public and the DET would sure NOT  like 
>> that.
>>
>> I have worked with children in Queensland as well as extensively WA 
>> around
>> problem solving around these sort of issues. It is a wonderful 
>> opportunity
>> for them to express themselves, figure out what is safety and what is
>> dignity of risk and what is just plain stupid bureaucracy, coving its
>> back-side or worse - pushing a barrow of making your son a demarcated
>> "employment issue" - the sole domain of a TA.
>>
>> GO Mac and Friends!
>>
>> Darrell
>>
>>    From: familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com
>> [mailto:familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com] On Behalf Of 
>> Family
>> Voices
>> Sent: Wednesday, 16 September 2009 7:13 PM
>> To: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com
>> Subject: FV: irony of inclusion officers
>>
>>    Hi All
>>
>>    Thought I'd share this with you.
>>
>>    Mac's school have been more than happy to meet our request that Mac
>> is not unnecessarily at the mercy of adults in the playground and or  in 
>> the
>> classroom.  So the senior kids have been able to push him around the
>> playground and the classmates within the classroom or with  assistance 
>> from
>> the aide when moving from inside to out etc.
>>
>>    They even had a roster for lunchtimes among the seniors so they
>> could better balance the demand.
>>
>>    Enter the local "INTEGRATION OFFICER from DET" responsible for
>> assisting with inclusion etc who said.. "this is not to happen -  this is
>> against the rules" and subsequently legal services have also advised  the
>> school.
>>
>>    So we now have a school of 'outraged children' because "DET SUCK"
>> according to them LOL.
>>
>>    We have always said we are happy to sign anything then need to  allow
>> Mac to be pushed by other children.  We have a safety strap on his  chair 
>> and
>> we have safety glasses for him to wear.  If he has a stack, so be  it,he 
>> is
>> six and a boy and would have had hundreds of stacks by now if he was 
>> able
>> bodied.
>>
>>     I have written to DET to find out how we can change this.  Some
>> schools have licencing programs where the kids get trained as  wheelchair
>> attendants, maybe this is to cover off the legal requirements.
>>
>>     Does anyone have any examples of how it works in their school.  I
>> am all for the dignity of risk but sadly our school has rolled over  on 
>> it
>> and chosen not to fight it or even investigate how it might be 
>>  possible - I
>> am not impressed by that considering they say how much they want to 
>> support
>> all students yet as soon as it gets a little difficult they wimp  out. 
>> They
>> have indicated they wouldn't obstruct me challenging it (me doing  the 
>> work
>> again - ugh).
>>
>>    So while I am pretty p'd off about it, possible not as much as the
>> kids are though which is pretty funny.  Today some of them said they 
>> wanted
>> to write to DET and tell them they suck (I have suggested maybe just 
>> give me
>> a chance to sort it out first.
>>
>>    Interestingly the teachers and aides are noticing the 'vibe' has
>> changed...  nothing like a revolution started by the 10 year olds of  the
>> world.
>>
>>    Sheesh, why can't bureaucratic adults get themselves out of my
>> child's life and let us be his parents and decide what is ok for him.
>>
>>    This came on the back of Mac not going to school last Friday  because
>> there was 'simply no aide available for him'.  We told them they  could 
>> do it
>> once but not again (subsequent suggestion I am 'mean spirited and  unfair 
>> and
>> aggressive' by saying my child wouldn't be having any more days off  as a
>> result of their staffing incompetencies).  Ugh, this is tiring and  it is
>> only Kindergarten.
>>
>>    Cheers (surprisingly I am still smiling, kind of bemused maybe
>> simply bonkers)
>>
>>    Gina
>>
>>
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From familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com  Wed Sep 16 17:38:37 2009
From: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com (Family Voices)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 10:38:37 +1000
Subject: FV: irony of inclusion officers
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Thanks Maureen

Ha ha, if they don't sort it out easily I would imagine DET will eventually
wish they 'did have better things to do - don't think we will need to go
down the 'A Current Affair path' just yet. 

I had a good chat with the Principal who has come back on board and let her
know I understand she is employed by DET so is at times between a rock and a
hard place so will give her a little bit of a break (ok, that was me just
playing a game of "out passive-aggressiving the principal", thank you mum
for teaching me so well...)

But, she has made contact with the local school that piggybacks with the
special school about their wheelchair licence program, but now that school
is worried it could be in jeopardy too - oh, well more people/kids for the
revolution I guess.

Also, I do have access to Paul Brock who is the DET strategic learning
officer who happens to understand wheelchair issues very well as he uses a
power chair for his MND.  He pretty much has a direct line to Michael Coutts
Trotter Dir.Gen Education.  I have also flagged it with head of disability
services at DET just as a heads up and a 'can she point me to the right
person to deal with'... since she follows Mac's blog it is quite useful
having her as a contact  and they know, if they get it right for Mac they
will be able to use it as an example so are keen to do things properly.  

I have left a message for the DET Legal Branch to call me.  Our Principal's
Boss is happy to take calls from me if I find I am running into too many
brick walls.

On the Mac being asked to stay home when there is no aide available I think
I have got them sorted (mostly) with that issue.  They have six more people
coming in for interviews for a casual roster option and I have pointed out
to them that if they are really stuck Mac's funding allows for multiple
options, he doesn't have to have a 'teachers aide' in the class they could
employ a teacher for 'team teaching' and then just have one of the trained
aides on one of the other classes be available for the changing/feeding
portion of his day. The Principal is also going to go and do the course
about feedig/tube feeding and personal care (must have hit a nerve when I
was being 'mean and aggressive' the other day - oops)

I have also said if the worst case was that he went to another class for the
day to be with another aide and missed some of his own 'education goals' but
still met the social goals of being at school then that would be OK as a
second preference (sheesh, he might have more fun being in with some of the
big kids - I know they will love it).  But she did like the idea of
employing a casual teacher to take the class and move Mac's teacher into a
targeted teaching role for all the kids with additional needs in his class
if the situation arose again.

It is nice when you can start to see the pennies drop and have them move
into a growth mindset...  I am confident every minor 'a-ha' moment has far
greater consequences in future decision making so am learning to be happy
enough to be making small gains here and there rather than expecting them to
just 'get it' automatically.

Maureen/Daryl... had a great conversation with Rosemary Crossley (Annie's
coming out) the other day, and among other things she was talking about
flipping the concepts around for kids not being supported in Independent
Schools and rather than making it a discrimination issue for the 'disabled
kid' make it a discrimination issue for the other children at those schools
being denied an inclusive setting for their education, being denied the
opportunity to be exposed to disability and experiencing, learning and
understanding about diversity.

Rosemary is keen to work with Mac on communication issue so will be down in
Melbourne in the first week of the school holidays (nothing organised yet,
don't even really know where Caulfield is LOL)  I think I am bringing my
Mother In Law with me for two reasons, 1 for some help with Mac but most
importantly to give her an opportunity to get engaged in Mac's life in a
different way.  We will see Rosemary every day for a couple of hours so will
really give my MIL a great chance to learn new concepts/approaches and then
help me out with future communication strategies.

Also hoping to film some of the sessions if allowed to take back to school
so having an extra pair of hands will be useful.

Phew, am I the only one exhausted... it is only 10am
Best get some real work done now.
Gina

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To: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com
Subject: Re: FV: irony of inclusion officers

OH Gina!
How strong we all have to be for our kids ?
It never ceases to amaze me how much energy we parents need to have to be 
able to stand up for our kids.
He is only 6 for goodness sake. Surely the DET have more important issues to

go and sort out.
I absolutely love the idea Darrell suggested about turning the scenario 
around and getting the school ground kids put forth their rights too...Love 
that one!!
Keep us posted Gina and Go GIRL!!!
(Should we be watching current affair???)
Maureen



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Family Voices" <familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com>
To: <familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 7:56 AM
Subject: Re: FV: irony of inclusion officers


> Hi Gina
> You go girl!  I think you have the very best allies with the kids.  To  me

> this is inclusion working.
> Please keep us posted.
> Cheers Jane
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 16, 2009, at 10:56 PM, Family Voices 
> <familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com
> > wrote:
>
>> Thanks Daryl
>>
>> Once we get the info from DET we will plan our approach.  Thankfully  we 
>> have
>> some reasonable contacts within the media and within DET too.
>>
>> Should have seen the kids eyes light up at one stage when I was  trying 
>> to
>> explain the process and tell them we have to be clever about how we  go 
>> about
>> getting a change in the rules... then I said as a throw away thought 
>> "when
>> we get the info we will see if it is only wheelchairs kids aren't 
>> allowed to
>> push, because maybe if Mac brings his bike trailer/jogger conversion  for

>> the
>> playground maybe they can't stop that happening...  seeing that 
>> revelation
>> in their eyes, that instant they learn about a new concept (in this 
>> instance
>> 'legal loopholes' LOL) - they were hooked.  They were saying, yeah,  well
>> maybe the rules don't say we can't push a 'stroller', I know that's  kind

>> of
>> babyish but if it means we still get to push our 'best friend' then  it 
>> would
>> be OK".
>>
>> I love these kids - they are amazing - to not only grasp the concept  in
>> general terms but also be able to innately recognize some of those  'SRV'
>> issues like 'non age appropriate stroller' but see it might be a  means 
>> to an
>> end...
>>
>> Gina
>>
>> _____________________________________________
>> From: familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com
>> [mailto:familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com] On Behalf Of 
>> Family
>> Voices
>> Sent: Wednesday, 16 September 2009 9:59 PM
>> To: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com
>> Subject: Re: FV: irony of inclusion officers
>>
>> Yes, this sucks.
>>
>> I love the spirit of the 10 year olds and suggest you encourage their
>> teachers to allow/nurture them to express and develop their democratic
>> "rights". THEY have a right to interact with their friend and they  are 
>> being
>> banned from this. Flipped on its head this way, it is not just about  the
>> "rights of the disabled kid" but the rights of the kids to interact  in a

>> way
>> THEY want to ...period. "Big brother" should butt out. The press  would 
>> love
>> to hear from them. So would the public and the DET would sure NOT  like 
>> that.
>>
>> I have worked with children in Queensland as well as extensively WA 
>> around
>> problem solving around these sort of issues. It is a wonderful 
>> opportunity
>> for them to express themselves, figure out what is safety and what is
>> dignity of risk and what is just plain stupid bureaucracy, coving its
>> back-side or worse - pushing a barrow of making your son a demarcated
>> "employment issue" - the sole domain of a TA.
>>
>> GO Mac and Friends!
>>
>> Darrell
>>
>>    From: familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com
>> [mailto:familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com] On Behalf Of 
>> Family
>> Voices
>> Sent: Wednesday, 16 September 2009 7:13 PM
>> To: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com
>> Subject: FV: irony of inclusion officers
>>
>>    Hi All
>>
>>    Thought I'd share this with you.
>>
>>    Mac's school have been more than happy to meet our request that Mac
>> is not unnecessarily at the mercy of adults in the playground and or  in 
>> the
>> classroom.  So the senior kids have been able to push him around the
>> playground and the classmates within the classroom or with  assistance 
>> from
>> the aide when moving from inside to out etc.
>>
>>    They even had a roster for lunchtimes among the seniors so they
>> could better balance the demand.
>>
>>    Enter the local "INTEGRATION OFFICER from DET" responsible for
>> assisting with inclusion etc who said.. "this is not to happen -  this is
>> against the rules" and subsequently legal services have also advised  the
>> school.
>>
>>    So we now have a school of 'outraged children' because "DET SUCK"
>> according to them LOL.
>>
>>    We have always said we are happy to sign anything then need to  allow
>> Mac to be pushed by other children.  We have a safety strap on his  chair

>> and
>> we have safety glasses for him to wear.  If he has a stack, so be  it,he 
>> is
>> six and a boy and would have had hundreds of stacks by now if he was 
>> able
>> bodied.
>>
>>     I have written to DET to find out how we can change this.  Some
>> schools have licencing programs where the kids get trained as  wheelchair
>> attendants, maybe this is to cover off the legal requirements.
>>
>>     Does anyone have any examples of how it works in their school.  I
>> am all for the dignity of risk but sadly our school has rolled over  on 
>> it
>> and chosen not to fight it or even investigate how it might be 
>>  possible - I
>> am not impressed by that considering they say how much they want to 
>> support
>> all students yet as soon as it gets a little difficult they wimp  out. 
>> They
>> have indicated they wouldn't obstruct me challenging it (me doing  the 
>> work
>> again - ugh).
>>
>>    So while I am pretty p'd off about it, possible not as much as the
>> kids are though which is pretty funny.  Today some of them said they 
>> wanted
>> to write to DET and tell them they suck (I have suggested maybe just 
>> give me
>> a chance to sort it out first.
>>
>>    Interestingly the teachers and aides are noticing the 'vibe' has
>> changed...  nothing like a revolution started by the 10 year olds of  the
>> world.
>>
>>    Sheesh, why can't bureaucratic adults get themselves out of my
>> child's life and let us be his parents and decide what is ok for him.
>>
>>    This came on the back of Mac not going to school last Friday  because
>> there was 'simply no aide available for him'.  We told them they  could 
>> do it
>> once but not again (subsequent suggestion I am 'mean spirited and  unfair

>> and
>> aggressive' by saying my child wouldn't be having any more days off  as a
>> result of their staffing incompetencies).  Ugh, this is tiring and  it is
>> only Kindergarten.
>>
>>    Cheers (surprisingly I am still smiling, kind of bemused maybe
>> simply bonkers)
>>
>>    Gina
>>
>>
>>
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From familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com  Wed Sep 16 18:49:03 2009
From: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com (Family Voices)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 09:49:03 +0800
Subject: FV: FW: irony of inclusion officers
Message-ID: <005a01ca3739$094aa1b0$1bdfe510$@net.au>


Hi Gina

I've been talking to some folks I work with here about this and here is the
gist of their advice to you. I think you can't have too many choices in
terms of how to go forward..with lots of choices on the table it is easier
to make the one which is best for your situation, I think. The following is
a bit of a collage of ideas...


1. Duty of care is a tricky thing .....and while the fact that kids are
pushing the student around is OK with the parents ....school departments are
wary of such stuff.....maybe it's not so much the danger that the student in
the wheelchair is in ...rather the responsibility that the child who is
pushing him has if anything did happen. (if there was an accident and the
student in the wheelchair was badly hurt, what might the consequences to the
child pushing him be emotionally, for example). 
 
2. I would suggest that the parent should make contact with the integration
officer concerned....this should not be a faceless decision.  I would
suggest that she speaks to the school principal first - suggesting that she
is going to contact the department and seek further clarification on this
matter.  I would have thought some compromise could be found.....I have
worked at heaps of schools where it pretty common practice for kids to push
chair users around - it is a way to foster inclusion and the parent is right
in that there appears to be something a little more natural about this than
for her son to be at the whim of an adult...I guess too the parent is hoping
to set up stuff for many years to come.
 
3.In terms of EA support ...this is tricky.  I think the parent needs to
make sure she maintains goodwill at the school.  I have been in a situation
where i have had to find relief EAs and at this time of the year it is
difficult.  If she can suggest a list of possible EAs who will drop
everything at little notice ...it might make things easier.  But it is
really tricky.  I am not saying it is right to suggest that the student in
the wheelchair should stay home ....I am saying this sort of thing can get
tricky.  To suggest that it is about their 'staffing incompetencies'....will
not result in the sort of outcomes the parent is after for her son, whose
experience will best be served by some good old fashioned give and take.  I
know this sounds awkward ....but it is about community and working
together....the parent will find that she burns out if she doesn't accept
some stuff on face value. Maybe some volunteers in the immediate community
can be found who might be happy to come in on those days where there isn't
an EA.


There you go - this is a more system based perspective but I think is useful
for that reason - the more you can get into their heads and understand them,
the more likely you will be able to come to some solution.



Jaquie :)


 

 
	 




From familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com  Wed Sep 16 19:36:38 2009
From: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com (Family Voices)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 12:36:38 +1000
Subject: FV: FW: irony of inclusion officers
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Thanks Jac

Good info, thanks
We think the licencing program could be the way to best manage the  
duty of care bit.  That way the parents of the kids pushing Mac will  
be aware they are doing so and can choose to give them permission or  
not as well.

I am trying to get into the heads of the system - it's a very strange  
world.

trust me... I do pick my battles, I have let about 12+ go by the  
wayside as I figure in time they can be addressed and possibly might  
happen naturally as other issues are sorted and mindsets change.  We  
had to be pretty firm with them on the 'not giving in for more days  
off this week' as there are about 4 kids in the school with full time  
aide support, we wanted them to see that it wouldn't be fair just to  
ask Mac to stay away just because he is 'the crappiest' but that if,  
on the fifth day they still had no support then it would be Mac's  
turn again.  I am also pleased that by giving them a bit of a bullet  
they have acted proactively and started getting extra names of  
potential aides.  They know I will help them any time, with anything,  
that I am trying to help them and not fight them, but they also know  
if they are supporting, making excuses for or actively undertaking  
discriminatory actions we will 'call them on it' and that is the only  
time we will really 'fire up' but only because we believe they have  
the potential to do better and not fall into the traps of 'but that  
is how it is always done'.

I now get to move into the 'good cop' role and the next couple of  
issues Shawn goes into 'bad cop' role so they realise that they do  
actually prefer dealing with me LOL.

i do feel for Principals though, they get so much conflicting  
information like this pearler our Principal got yesterday...  "The  
aide is for the teacher not the child, and you can't take one an aide  
from 'one child' to use for 'another'"  HUH, that single sentence  
contradicts itself - wan't the aide at the start of the sentence the  
'teacher's?  And, if you have a rotating roster of aides for all  
children how does the statement of not using one kids aide for  
another kid come into it when all aides at some stage work with all  
children (classes).

Gina


On 17/09/2009, at 11:49 AM, Family Voices wrote:

>
> Hi Gina
>
> I've been talking to some folks I work with here about this and  
> here is the
> gist of their advice to you. I think you can't have too many  
> choices in
> terms of how to go forward..with lots of choices on the table it is  
> easier
> to make the one which is best for your situation, I think. The  
> following is
> a bit of a collage of ideas...
>
>
> 1. Duty of care is a tricky thing .....and while the fact that kids  
> are
> pushing the student around is OK with the parents ....school  
> departments are
> wary of such stuff.....maybe it's not so much the danger that the  
> student in
> the wheelchair is in ...rather the responsibility that the child  
> who is
> pushing him has if anything did happen. (if there was an accident  
> and the
> student in the wheelchair was badly hurt, what might the  
> consequences to the
> child pushing him be emotionally, for example).
>
> 2. I would suggest that the parent should make contact with the  
> integration
> officer concerned....this should not be a faceless decision.  I would
> suggest that she speaks to the school principal first - suggesting  
> that she
> is going to contact the department and seek further clarification  
> on this
> matter.  I would have thought some compromise could be found.....I  
> have
> worked at heaps of schools where it pretty common practice for kids  
> to push
> chair users around - it is a way to foster inclusion and the parent  
> is right
> in that there appears to be something a little more natural about  
> this than
> for her son to be at the whim of an adult...I guess too the parent  
> is hoping
> to set up stuff for many years to come.
>
> 3.In terms of EA support ...this is tricky.  I think the parent  
> needs to
> make sure she maintains goodwill at the school.  I have been in a  
> situation
> where i have had to find relief EAs and at this time of the year it is
> difficult.  If she can suggest a list of possible EAs who will drop
> everything at little notice ...it might make things easier.  But it is
> really tricky.  I am not saying it is right to suggest that the  
> student in
> the wheelchair should stay home ....I am saying this sort of thing  
> can get
> tricky.  To suggest that it is about their 'staffing  
> incompetencies'....will
> not result in the sort of outcomes the parent is after for her son,  
> whose
> experience will best be served by some good old fashioned give and  
> take.  I
> know this sounds awkward ....but it is about community and working
> together....the parent will find that she burns out if she doesn't  
> accept
> some stuff on face value. Maybe some volunteers in the immediate  
> community
> can be found who might be happy to come in on those days where  
> there isn't
> an EA.
>
>
> There you go - this is a more system based perspective but I think  
> is useful
> for that reason - the more you can get into their heads and  
> understand them,
> the more likely you will be able to come to some solution.
>
>
>
> Jaquie :)
>
>
>
>
>
> 	
>
>
>



From familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com  Wed Sep 16 19:44:37 2009
From: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com (Family Voices)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 12:44:37 +1000
Subject: FV: FW: irony of inclusion officers
In-Reply-To: <005a01ca3739$094aa1b0$1bdfe510$@net.au>
References: <005a01ca3739$094aa1b0$1bdfe510$@net.au>
Message-ID: <74A089E6-7176-4DB7-AC3E-895239066D42@bigpond.com>

Hello Gina & mAureen
Sarah and I are just about to get on plaNe for melb????

Maybe we could catch up?  Love to hear how you go Gina
Cheers Jane & Sarah

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 17, 2009, at 11:49 AM, Family Voices <familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com 
 > wrote:

>
> Hi Gina
>
> I've been talking to some folks I work with here about this and here  
> is the
> gist of their advice to you. I think you can't have too many choices  
> in
> terms of how to go forward..with lots of choices on the table it is  
> easier
> to make the one which is best for your situation, I think. The  
> following is
> a bit of a collage of ideas...
>
>
> 1. Duty of care is a tricky thing .....and while the fact that kids  
> are
> pushing the student around is OK with the parents ....school  
> departments are
> wary of such stuff.....maybe it's not so much the danger that the  
> student in
> the wheelchair is in ...rather the responsibility that the child who  
> is
> pushing him has if anything did happen. (if there was an accident  
> and the
> student in the wheelchair was badly hurt, what might the  
> consequences to the
> child pushing him be emotionally, for example).
>
> 2. I would suggest that the parent should make contact with the  
> integration
> officer concerned....this should not be a faceless decision.  I would
> suggest that she speaks to the school principal first - suggesting  
> that she
> is going to contact the department and seek further clarification on  
> this
> matter.  I would have thought some compromise could be found.....I  
> have
> worked at heaps of schools where it pretty common practice for kids  
> to push
> chair users around - it is a way to foster inclusion and the parent  
> is right
> in that there appears to be something a little more natural about  
> this than
> for her son to be at the whim of an adult...I guess too the parent  
> is hoping
> to set up stuff for many years to come.
>
> 3.In terms of EA support ...this is tricky.  I think the parent  
> needs to
> make sure she maintains goodwill at the school.  I have been in a  
> situation
> where i have had to find relief EAs and at this time of the year it is
> difficult.  If she can suggest a list of possible EAs who will drop
> everything at little notice ...it might make things easier.  But it is
> really tricky.  I am not saying it is right to suggest that the  
> student in
> the wheelchair should stay home ....I am saying this sort of thing  
> can get
> tricky.  To suggest that it is about their 'staffing  
> incompetencies'....will
> not result in the sort of outcomes the parent is after for her son,  
> whose
> experience will best be served by some good old fashioned give and  
> take.  I
> know this sounds awkward ....but it is about community and working
> together....the parent will find that she burns out if she doesn't  
> accept
> some stuff on face value. Maybe some volunteers in the immediate  
> community
> can be found who might be happy to come in on those days where there  
> isn't
> an EA.
>
>
> There you go - this is a more system based perspective but I think  
> is useful
> for that reason - the more you can get into their heads and  
> understand them,
> the more likely you will be able to come to some solution.
>
>
>
> Jaquie :)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


From familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com  Wed Sep 16 20:30:45 2009
From: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com (Family Voices)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 11:30:45 +0800
Subject: FV: risk as developmental opportunity vs risk as something to manage
In-Reply-To: <703C2EA6-B2AC-4811-8181-56FA8989E234@bigpond.com>
References: <005a01ca3739$094aa1b0$1bdfe510$@net.au>
	<703C2EA6-B2AC-4811-8181-56FA8989E234@bigpond.com>
Message-ID: <000001ca3747$3e590eb0$bb0b2c10$@com>

Hi Gina,
A few thoughts on risk as a developmental opportunity vs risk as something
to manage:

1. Don't try to get too far into the heads of the system, you will get lost
in its emptiness! 

2. Jokes aside, systems are not "structured  up" to be inclusive. They are
structured more and more rigidly around business and management (e.g. risks
and risk analysis) when they need to be structured more flexibly around the
social/family movement necessary to promote the healthy development of all
children (e.g. social and safety development of the children). These are
"learning opportunities" for all. What the children are being "taught" here
is to deny their natural helping talents and urges and "stay away" - this is
a an adult, paid care issue and not something you can or should learn to do
competently and safely. This a very insidious lesson. It is teaching the
"social roles"  to these youngsters that will perpetuate the darkness that
we seek to overturn.

3. Yes. There are sensibilities. Teaching safety and how we care for one
another safely is a huge opportunity here. A natural opportunity exists for
these youngsters. Somewhere in their lives, their own parents maybe, will be
in a wheelchair one day; their grandparents, friends or relatives, maybe
today. I would appeal to teachers to see this as a teaching opportunity for
all that is being denied them to learn the dignity issues, the physical
issues, the safety issues.  

4. Yes. One must chose their battles. One must also chose their allies and
strategies. These children, hopefully some of their parents and hopefully
some for their teachers would see the common-sense of these issues and share
the battle or even take the battle as their own.

Kindest thoughts.
Darrell

  

-----Original Message-----
From: familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com
[mailto:familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com] On Behalf Of Family
Voices
Sent: Thursday, 17 September 2009 10:37 AM
To: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com
Subject: Re: FV: FW: irony of inclusion officers

Thanks Jac

Good info, thanks
We think the licencing program could be the way to best manage the  
duty of care bit.  That way the parents of the kids pushing Mac will  
be aware they are doing so and can choose to give them permission or  
not as well.

I am trying to get into the heads of the system - it's a very strange  
world.

trust me... I do pick my battles, I have let about 12+ go by the  
wayside as I figure in time they can be addressed and possibly might  
happen naturally as other issues are sorted and mindsets change.  We  
had to be pretty firm with them on the 'not giving in for more days  
off this week' as there are about 4 kids in the school with full time  
aide support, we wanted them to see that it wouldn't be fair just to  
ask Mac to stay away just because he is 'the crappiest' but that if,  
on the fifth day they still had no support then it would be Mac's  
turn again.  I am also pleased that by giving them a bit of a bullet  
they have acted proactively and started getting extra names of  
potential aides.  They know I will help them any time, with anything,  
that I am trying to help them and not fight them, but they also know  
if they are supporting, making excuses for or actively undertaking  
discriminatory actions we will 'call them on it' and that is the only  
time we will really 'fire up' but only because we believe they have  
the potential to do better and not fall into the traps of 'but that  
is how it is always done'.

I now get to move into the 'good cop' role and the next couple of  
issues Shawn goes into 'bad cop' role so they realise that they do  
actually prefer dealing with me LOL.

i do feel for Principals though, they get so much conflicting  
information like this pearler our Principal got yesterday...  "The  
aide is for the teacher not the child, and you can't take one an aide  
from 'one child' to use for 'another'"  HUH, that single sentence  
contradicts itself - wan't the aide at the start of the sentence the  
'teacher's?  And, if you have a rotating roster of aides for all  
children how does the statement of not using one kids aide for  
another kid come into it when all aides at some stage work with all  
children (classes).

Gina


On 17/09/2009, at 11:49 AM, Family Voices wrote:

>
> Hi Gina
>
> I've been talking to some folks I work with here about this and  
> here is the
> gist of their advice to you. I think you can't have too many  
> choices in
> terms of how to go forward..with lots of choices on the table it is  
> easier
> to make the one which is best for your situation, I think. The  
> following is
> a bit of a collage of ideas...
>
>
> 1. Duty of care is a tricky thing .....and while the fact that kids  
> are
> pushing the student around is OK with the parents ....school  
> departments are
> wary of such stuff.....maybe it's not so much the danger that the  
> student in
> the wheelchair is in ...rather the responsibility that the child  
> who is
> pushing him has if anything did happen. (if there was an accident  
> and the
> student in the wheelchair was badly hurt, what might the  
> consequences to the
> child pushing him be emotionally, for example).
>
> 2. I would suggest that the parent should make contact with the  
> integration
> officer concerned....this should not be a faceless decision.  I would
> suggest that she speaks to the school principal first - suggesting  
> that she
> is going to contact the department and seek further clarification  
> on this
> matter.  I would have thought some compromise could be found.....I  
> have
> worked at heaps of schools where it pretty common practice for kids  
> to push
> chair users around - it is a way to foster inclusion and the parent  
> is right
> in that there appears to be something a little more natural about  
> this than
> for her son to be at the whim of an adult...I guess too the parent  
> is hoping
> to set up stuff for many years to come.
>
> 3.In terms of EA support ...this is tricky.  I think the parent  
> needs to
> make sure she maintains goodwill at the school.  I have been in a  
> situation
> where i have had to find relief EAs and at this time of the year it is
> difficult.  If she can suggest a list of possible EAs who will drop
> everything at little notice ...it might make things easier.  But it is
> really tricky.  I am not saying it is right to suggest that the  
> student in
> the wheelchair should stay home ....I am saying this sort of thing  
> can get
> tricky.  To suggest that it is about their 'staffing  
> incompetencies'....will
> not result in the sort of outcomes the parent is after for her son,  
> whose
> experience will best be served by some good old fashioned give and  
> take.  I
> know this sounds awkward ....but it is about community and working
> together....the parent will find that she burns out if she doesn't  
> accept
> some stuff on face value. Maybe some volunteers in the immediate  
> community
> can be found who might be happy to come in on those days where  
> there isn't
> an EA.
>
>
> There you go - this is a more system based perspective but I think  
> is useful
> for that reason - the more you can get into their heads and  
> understand them,
> the more likely you will be able to come to some solution.
>
>
>
> Jaquie :)
>
>
>
>
>
> 	
>
>
>



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From familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com  Wed Sep 16 21:02:07 2009
From: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com (Family Voices)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 14:02:07 +1000
Subject: FV: risk as developmental opportunity vs risk as something to
	manage
In-Reply-To: <000001ca3747$3e590eb0$bb0b2c10$@com>
Message-ID: <85ikce$d4foo4@ipmail04.adl2.internode.on.net>

Thanks Daryl

Appreciate it.  You are right as always, talking over dinner last night we
concurred that we do, in fact, see these types as issues as MORE important
than them getting the educational requirements right.  They are insidious
lessons indeed.  They set the scene for the 'other path we don't desire' of
a devalued life where only people 'paid to care' are there.

Gina

-----Original Message-----
From: familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com
[mailto:familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com] On Behalf Of Family
Voices
Sent: Thursday, 17 September 2009 1:31 PM
To: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com
Subject: FV: risk as developmental opportunity vs risk as something to
manage

Hi Gina,
A few thoughts on risk as a developmental opportunity vs risk as something
to manage:

1. Don't try to get too far into the heads of the system, you will get lost
in its emptiness! 

2. Jokes aside, systems are not "structured  up" to be inclusive. They are
structured more and more rigidly around business and management (e.g. risks
and risk analysis) when they need to be structured more flexibly around the
social/family movement necessary to promote the healthy development of all
children (e.g. social and safety development of the children). These are
"learning opportunities" for all. What the children are being "taught" here
is to deny their natural helping talents and urges and "stay away" - this is
a an adult, paid care issue and not something you can or should learn to do
competently and safely. This a very insidious lesson. It is teaching the
"social roles"  to these youngsters that will perpetuate the darkness that
we seek to overturn.

3. Yes. There are sensibilities. Teaching safety and how we care for one
another safely is a huge opportunity here. A natural opportunity exists for
these youngsters. Somewhere in their lives, their own parents maybe, will be
in a wheelchair one day; their grandparents, friends or relatives, maybe
today. I would appeal to teachers to see this as a teaching opportunity for
all that is being denied them to learn the dignity issues, the physical
issues, the safety issues.  

4. Yes. One must chose their battles. One must also chose their allies and
strategies. These children, hopefully some of their parents and hopefully
some for their teachers would see the common-sense of these issues and share
the battle or even take the battle as their own.

Kindest thoughts.
Darrell

  

-----Original Message-----
From: familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com
[mailto:familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com] On Behalf Of Family
Voices
Sent: Thursday, 17 September 2009 10:37 AM
To: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com
Subject: Re: FV: FW: irony of inclusion officers

Thanks Jac

Good info, thanks
We think the licencing program could be the way to best manage the  
duty of care bit.  That way the parents of the kids pushing Mac will  
be aware they are doing so and can choose to give them permission or  
not as well.

I am trying to get into the heads of the system - it's a very strange  
world.

trust me... I do pick my battles, I have let about 12+ go by the  
wayside as I figure in time they can be addressed and possibly might  
happen naturally as other issues are sorted and mindsets change.  We  
had to be pretty firm with them on the 'not giving in for more days  
off this week' as there are about 4 kids in the school with full time  
aide support, we wanted them to see that it wouldn't be fair just to  
ask Mac to stay away just because he is 'the crappiest' but that if,  
on the fifth day they still had no support then it would be Mac's  
turn again.  I am also pleased that by giving them a bit of a bullet  
they have acted proactively and started getting extra names of  
potential aides.  They know I will help them any time, with anything,  
that I am trying to help them and not fight them, but they also know  
if they are supporting, making excuses for or actively undertaking  
discriminatory actions we will 'call them on it' and that is the only  
time we will really 'fire up' but only because we believe they have  
the potential to do better and not fall into the traps of 'but that  
is how it is always done'.

I now get to move into the 'good cop' role and the next couple of  
issues Shawn goes into 'bad cop' role so they realise that they do  
actually prefer dealing with me LOL.

i do feel for Principals though, they get so much conflicting  
information like this pearler our Principal got yesterday...  "The  
aide is for the teacher not the child, and you can't take one an aide  
from 'one child' to use for 'another'"  HUH, that single sentence  
contradicts itself - wan't the aide at the start of the sentence the  
'teacher's?  And, if you have a rotating roster of aides for all  
children how does the statement of not using one kids aide for  
another kid come into it when all aides at some stage work with all  
children (classes).

Gina


On 17/09/2009, at 11:49 AM, Family Voices wrote:

>
> Hi Gina
>
> I've been talking to some folks I work with here about this and  
> here is the
> gist of their advice to you. I think you can't have too many  
> choices in
> terms of how to go forward..with lots of choices on the table it is  
> easier
> to make the one which is best for your situation, I think. The  
> following is
> a bit of a collage of ideas...
>
>
> 1. Duty of care is a tricky thing .....and while the fact that kids  
> are
> pushing the student around is OK with the parents ....school  
> departments are
> wary of such stuff.....maybe it's not so much the danger that the  
> student in
> the wheelchair is in ...rather the responsibility that the child  
> who is
> pushing him has if anything did happen. (if there was an accident  
> and the
> student in the wheelchair was badly hurt, what might the  
> consequences to the
> child pushing him be emotionally, for example).
>
> 2. I would suggest that the parent should make contact with the  
> integration
> officer concerned....this should not be a faceless decision.  I would
> suggest that she speaks to the school principal first - suggesting  
> that she
> is going to contact the department and seek further clarification  
> on this
> matter.  I would have thought some compromise could be found.....I  
> have
> worked at heaps of schools where it pretty common practice for kids  
> to push
> chair users around - it is a way to foster inclusion and the parent  
> is right
> in that there appears to be something a little more natural about  
> this than
> for her son to be at the whim of an adult...I guess too the parent  
> is hoping
> to set up stuff for many years to come.
>
> 3.In terms of EA support ...this is tricky.  I think the parent  
> needs to
> make sure she maintains goodwill at the school.  I have been in a  
> situation
> where i have had to find relief EAs and at this time of the year it is
> difficult.  If she can suggest a list of possible EAs who will drop
> everything at little notice ...it might make things easier.  But it is
> really tricky.  I am not saying it is right to suggest that the  
> student in
> the wheelchair should stay home ....I am saying this sort of thing  
> can get
> tricky.  To suggest that it is about their 'staffing  
> incompetencies'....will
> not result in the sort of outcomes the parent is after for her son,  
> whose
> experience will best be served by some good old fashioned give and  
> take.  I
> know this sounds awkward ....but it is about community and working
> together....the parent will find that she burns out if she doesn't  
> accept
> some stuff on face value. Maybe some volunteers in the immediate  
> community
> can be found who might be happy to come in on those days where  
> there isn't
> an EA.
>
>
> There you go - this is a more system based perspective but I think  
> is useful
> for that reason - the more you can get into their heads and  
> understand them,
> the more likely you will be able to come to some solution.
>
>
>
> Jaquie :)
>
>
>
>
>
> 	
>
>
>



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From familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com  Thu Sep 17 04:39:51 2009
From: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com (Family Voices)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 21:39:51 +1000
Subject: FV: risk as developmental opportunity vs risk as something
	tomanage
References: <85ikce$d4foo4@ipmail04.adl2.internode.on.net>
Message-ID: <568E734998D749C4ADC2550220874EFE@D8XYGK1S>

Gina
I live five minutes from Caulfield.
Please let me know when you are going to be there and maybe we could  catch 
up?
However, I am going to be out of action for the next few days after a trip 
to hospital. But, hopefully I will recover quickly (I have to!) and so 
please let me know if you are going to in town and it would be so nice to 
see you and meet Mac.
Same for you Jane
Please contact me while you are in town if you get the chance it would be 
lovely to see each other and meet our young ones.
My phone number is 95002256 and my mobile is 0408539661
Maureen


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Family Voices" <familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com>
To: <familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 2:02 PM
Subject: Re: FV: risk as developmental opportunity vs risk as something 
tomanage


> Thanks Daryl
>
> Appreciate it.  You are right as always, talking over dinner last night we
> concurred that we do, in fact, see these types as issues as MORE important
> than them getting the educational requirements right.  They are insidious
> lessons indeed.  They set the scene for the 'other path we don't desire' 
> of
> a devalued life where only people 'paid to care' are there.
>
> Gina
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com
> [mailto:familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com] On Behalf Of Family
> Voices
> Sent: Thursday, 17 September 2009 1:31 PM
> To: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com
> Subject: FV: risk as developmental opportunity vs risk as something to
> manage
>
> Hi Gina,
> A few thoughts on risk as a developmental opportunity vs risk as something
> to manage:
>
> 1. Don't try to get too far into the heads of the system, you will get 
> lost
> in its emptiness!
>
> 2. Jokes aside, systems are not "structured  up" to be inclusive. They are
> structured more and more rigidly around business and management (e.g. 
> risks
> and risk analysis) when they need to be structured more flexibly around 
> the
> social/family movement necessary to promote the healthy development of all
> children (e.g. social and safety development of the children). These are
> "learning opportunities" for all. What the children are being "taught" 
> here
> is to deny their natural helping talents and urges and "stay away" - this 
> is
> a an adult, paid care issue and not something you can or should learn to 
> do
> competently and safely. This a very insidious lesson. It is teaching the
> "social roles"  to these youngsters that will perpetuate the darkness that
> we seek to overturn.
>
> 3. Yes. There are sensibilities. Teaching safety and how we care for one
> another safely is a huge opportunity here. A natural opportunity exists 
> for
> these youngsters. Somewhere in their lives, their own parents maybe, will 
> be
> in a wheelchair one day; their grandparents, friends or relatives, maybe
> today. I would appeal to teachers to see this as a teaching opportunity 
> for
> all that is being denied them to learn the dignity issues, the physical
> issues, the safety issues.
>
> 4. Yes. One must chose their battles. One must also chose their allies and
> strategies. These children, hopefully some of their parents and hopefully
> some for their teachers would see the common-sense of these issues and 
> share
> the battle or even take the battle as their own.
>
> Kindest thoughts.
> Darrell
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com
> [mailto:familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com] On Behalf Of Family
> Voices
> Sent: Thursday, 17 September 2009 10:37 AM
> To: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com
> Subject: Re: FV: FW: irony of inclusion officers
>
> Thanks Jac
>
> Good info, thanks
> We think the licencing program could be the way to best manage the
> duty of care bit.  That way the parents of the kids pushing Mac will
> be aware they are doing so and can choose to give them permission or
> not as well.
>
> I am trying to get into the heads of the system - it's a very strange
> world.
>
> trust me... I do pick my battles, I have let about 12+ go by the
> wayside as I figure in time they can be addressed and possibly might
> happen naturally as other issues are sorted and mindsets change.  We
> had to be pretty firm with them on the 'not giving in for more days
> off this week' as there are about 4 kids in the school with full time
> aide support, we wanted them to see that it wouldn't be fair just to
> ask Mac to stay away just because he is 'the crappiest' but that if,
> on the fifth day they still had no support then it would be Mac's
> turn again.  I am also pleased that by giving them a bit of a bullet
> they have acted proactively and started getting extra names of
> potential aides.  They know I will help them any time, with anything,
> that I am trying to help them and not fight them, but they also know
> if they are supporting, making excuses for or actively undertaking
> discriminatory actions we will 'call them on it' and that is the only
> time we will really 'fire up' but only because we believe they have
> the potential to do better and not fall into the traps of 'but that
> is how it is always done'.
>
> I now get to move into the 'good cop' role and the next couple of
> issues Shawn goes into 'bad cop' role so they realise that they do
> actually prefer dealing with me LOL.
>
> i do feel for Principals though, they get so much conflicting
> information like this pearler our Principal got yesterday...  "The
> aide is for the teacher not the child, and you can't take one an aide
> from 'one child' to use for 'another'"  HUH, that single sentence
> contradicts itself - wan't the aide at the start of the sentence the
> 'teacher's?  And, if you have a rotating roster of aides for all
> children how does the statement of not using one kids aide for
> another kid come into it when all aides at some stage work with all
> children (classes).
>
> Gina
>
>
> On 17/09/2009, at 11:49 AM, Family Voices wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi Gina
>>
>> I've been talking to some folks I work with here about this and
>> here is the
>> gist of their advice to you. I think you can't have too many
>> choices in
>> terms of how to go forward..with lots of choices on the table it is
>> easier
>> to make the one which is best for your situation, I think. The
>> following is
>> a bit of a collage of ideas...
>>
>>
>> 1. Duty of care is a tricky thing .....and while the fact that kids
>> are
>> pushing the student around is OK with the parents ....school
>> departments are
>> wary of such stuff.....maybe it's not so much the danger that the
>> student in
>> the wheelchair is in ...rather the responsibility that the child
>> who is
>> pushing him has if anything did happen. (if there was an accident
>> and the
>> student in the wheelchair was badly hurt, what might the
>> consequences to the
>> child pushing him be emotionally, for example).
>>
>> 2. I would suggest that the parent should make contact with the
>> integration
>> officer concerned....this should not be a faceless decision.  I would
>> suggest that she speaks to the school principal first - suggesting
>> that she
>> is going to contact the department and seek further clarification
>> on this
>> matter.  I would have thought some compromise could be found.....I
>> have
>> worked at heaps of schools where it pretty common practice for kids
>> to push
>> chair users around - it is a way to foster inclusion and the parent
>> is right
>> in that there appears to be something a little more natural about
>> this than
>> for her son to be at the whim of an adult...I guess too the parent
>> is hoping
>> to set up stuff for many years to come.
>>
>> 3.In terms of EA support ...this is tricky.  I think the parent
>> needs to
>> make sure she maintains goodwill at the school.  I have been in a
>> situation
>> where i have had to find relief EAs and at this time of the year it is
>> difficult.  If she can suggest a list of possible EAs who will drop
>> everything at little notice ...it might make things easier.  But it is
>> really tricky.  I am not saying it is right to suggest that the
>> student in
>> the wheelchair should stay home ....I am saying this sort of thing
>> can get
>> tricky.  To suggest that it is about their 'staffing
>> incompetencies'....will
>> not result in the sort of outcomes the parent is after for her son,
>> whose
>> experience will best be served by some good old fashioned give and
>> take.  I
>> know this sounds awkward ....but it is about community and working
>> together....the parent will find that she burns out if she doesn't
>> accept
>> some stuff on face value. Maybe some volunteers in the immediate
>> community
>> can be found who might be happy to come in on those days where
>> there isn't
>> an EA.
>>
>>
>> There you go - this is a more system based perspective but I think
>> is useful
>> for that reason - the more you can get into their heads and
>> understand them,
>> the more likely you will be able to come to some solution.
>>
>>
>>
>> Jaquie :)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com  Thu Sep 17 04:45:40 2009
From: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com (Family Voices)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 21:45:40 +1000
Subject: FV: risk as developmental opportunity vs risk as
	somethingtomanage
In-Reply-To: <568E734998D749C4ADC2550220874EFE@D8XYGK1S>
Message-ID: <85ikce$d4kuv7@ipmail04.adl2.internode.on.net>

Hi Maureen

That sounds great - we aren't down there until around 5th October so will
certainly touch base before then.

Gina

Gina Wilson-Burns
110a FLANNERY LANE, TAPITALLEE? NSW? 2540
TELEPHONE : 0412 022014? or? 02 44460037
EMAIL: sandgburns at bigpond.com


-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Thursday, 17 September 2009 9:40 PM
To: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com
Subject: Re: FV: risk as developmental opportunity vs risk as
somethingtomanage

Gina
I live five minutes from Caulfield.
Please let me know when you are going to be there and maybe we could  catch 
up?
However, I am going to be out of action for the next few days after a trip 
to hospital. But, hopefully I will recover quickly (I have to!) and so 
please let me know if you are going to in town and it would be so nice to 
see you and meet Mac.
Same for you Jane
Please contact me while you are in town if you get the chance it would be 
lovely to see each other and meet our young ones.
My phone number is 95002256 and my mobile is 0408539661
Maureen


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Family Voices" <familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com>
To: <familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 2:02 PM
Subject: Re: FV: risk as developmental opportunity vs risk as something 
tomanage


> Thanks Daryl
>
> Appreciate it.  You are right as always, talking over dinner last night we
> concurred that we do, in fact, see these types as issues as MORE important
> than them getting the educational requirements right.  They are insidious
> lessons indeed.  They set the scene for the 'other path we don't desire' 
> of
> a devalued life where only people 'paid to care' are there.
>
> Gina
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com
> [mailto:familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com] On Behalf Of Family
> Voices
> Sent: Thursday, 17 September 2009 1:31 PM
> To: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com
> Subject: FV: risk as developmental opportunity vs risk as something to
> manage
>
> Hi Gina,
> A few thoughts on risk as a developmental opportunity vs risk as something
> to manage:
>
> 1. Don't try to get too far into the heads of the system, you will get 
> lost
> in its emptiness!
>
> 2. Jokes aside, systems are not "structured  up" to be inclusive. They are
> structured more and more rigidly around business and management (e.g. 
> risks
> and risk analysis) when they need to be structured more flexibly around 
> the
> social/family movement necessary to promote the healthy development of all
> children (e.g. social and safety development of the children). These are
> "learning opportunities" for all. What the children are being "taught" 
> here
> is to deny their natural helping talents and urges and "stay away" - this 
> is
> a an adult, paid care issue and not something you can or should learn to 
> do
> competently and safely. This a very insidious lesson. It is teaching the
> "social roles"  to these youngsters that will perpetuate the darkness that
> we seek to overturn.
>
> 3. Yes. There are sensibilities. Teaching safety and how we care for one
> another safely is a huge opportunity here. A natural opportunity exists 
> for
> these youngsters. Somewhere in their lives, their own parents maybe, will 
> be
> in a wheelchair one day; their grandparents, friends or relatives, maybe
> today. I would appeal to teachers to see this as a teaching opportunity 
> for
> all that is being denied them to learn the dignity issues, the physical
> issues, the safety issues.
>
> 4. Yes. One must chose their battles. One must also chose their allies and
> strategies. These children, hopefully some of their parents and hopefully
> some for their teachers would see the common-sense of these issues and 
> share
> the battle or even take the battle as their own.
>
> Kindest thoughts.
> Darrell
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com
> [mailto:familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com] On Behalf Of Family
> Voices
> Sent: Thursday, 17 September 2009 10:37 AM
> To: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com
> Subject: Re: FV: FW: irony of inclusion officers
>
> Thanks Jac
>
> Good info, thanks
> We think the licencing program could be the way to best manage the
> duty of care bit.  That way the parents of the kids pushing Mac will
> be aware they are doing so and can choose to give them permission or
> not as well.
>
> I am trying to get into the heads of the system - it's a very strange
> world.
>
> trust me... I do pick my battles, I have let about 12+ go by the
> wayside as I figure in time they can be addressed and possibly might
> happen naturally as other issues are sorted and mindsets change.  We
> had to be pretty firm with them on the 'not giving in for more days
> off this week' as there are about 4 kids in the school with full time
> aide support, we wanted them to see that it wouldn't be fair just to
> ask Mac to stay away just because he is 'the crappiest' but that if,
> on the fifth day they still had no support then it would be Mac's
> turn again.  I am also pleased that by giving them a bit of a bullet
> they have acted proactively and started getting extra names of
> potential aides.  They know I will help them any time, with anything,
> that I am trying to help them and not fight them, but they also know
> if they are supporting, making excuses for or actively undertaking
> discriminatory actions we will 'call them on it' and that is the only
> time we will really 'fire up' but only because we believe they have
> the potential to do better and not fall into the traps of 'but that
> is how it is always done'.
>
> I now get to move into the 'good cop' role and the next couple of
> issues Shawn goes into 'bad cop' role so they realise that they do
> actually prefer dealing with me LOL.
>
> i do feel for Principals though, they get so much conflicting
> information like this pearler our Principal got yesterday...  "The
> aide is for the teacher not the child, and you can't take one an aide
> from 'one child' to use for 'another'"  HUH, that single sentence
> contradicts itself - wan't the aide at the start of the sentence the
> 'teacher's?  And, if you have a rotating roster of aides for all
> children how does the statement of not using one kids aide for
> another kid come into it when all aides at some stage work with all
> children (classes).
>
> Gina
>
>
> On 17/09/2009, at 11:49 AM, Family Voices wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi Gina
>>
>> I've been talking to some folks I work with here about this and
>> here is the
>> gist of their advice to you. I think you can't have too many
>> choices in
>> terms of how to go forward..with lots of choices on the table it is
>> easier
>> to make the one which is best for your situation, I think. The
>> following is
>> a bit of a collage of ideas...
>>
>>
>> 1. Duty of care is a tricky thing .....and while the fact that kids
>> are
>> pushing the student around is OK with the parents ....school
>> departments are
>> wary of such stuff.....maybe it's not so much the danger that the
>> student in
>> the wheelchair is in ...rather the responsibility that the child
>> who is
>> pushing him has if anything did happen. (if there was an accident
>> and the
>> student in the wheelchair was badly hurt, what might the
>> consequences to the
>> child pushing him be emotionally, for example).
>>
>> 2. I would suggest that the parent should make contact with the
>> integration
>> officer concerned....this should not be a faceless decision.  I would
>> suggest that she speaks to the school principal first - suggesting
>> that she
>> is going to contact the department and seek further clarification
>> on this
>> matter.  I would have thought some compromise could be found.....I
>> have
>> worked at heaps of schools where it pretty common practice for kids
>> to push
>> chair users around - it is a way to foster inclusion and the parent
>> is right
>> in that there appears to be something a little more natural about
>> this than
>> for her son to be at the whim of an adult...I guess too the parent
>> is hoping
>> to set up stuff for many years to come.
>>
>> 3.In terms of EA support ...this is tricky.  I think the parent
>> needs to
>> make sure she maintains goodwill at the school.  I have been in a
>> situation
>> where i have had to find relief EAs and at this time of the year it is
>> difficult.  If she can suggest a list of possible EAs who will drop
>> everything at little notice ...it might make things easier.  But it is
>> really tricky.  I am not saying it is right to suggest that the
>> student in
>> the wheelchair should stay home ....I am saying this sort of thing
>> can get
>> tricky.  To suggest that it is about their 'staffing
>> incompetencies'....will
>> not result in the sort of outcomes the parent is after for her son,
>> whose
>> experience will best be served by some good old fashioned give and
>> take.  I
>> know this sounds awkward ....but it is about community and working
>> together....the parent will find that she burns out if she doesn't
>> accept
>> some stuff on face value. Maybe some volunteers in the immediate
>> community
>> can be found who might be happy to come in on those days where
>> there isn't
>> an EA.
>>
>>
>> There you go - this is a more system based perspective but I think
>> is useful
>> for that reason - the more you can get into their heads and
>> understand them,
>> the more likely you will be able to come to some solution.
>>
>>
>>
>> Jaquie :)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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From familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com  Thu Sep 17 05:17:09 2009
From: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com (Family Voices)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 22:17:09 +1000
Subject: FV: risk as developmental opportunity vs risk
	assomethingtomanage
References: <85ikce$d4kuv7@ipmail04.adl2.internode.on.net>
Message-ID: <3DD5FBB50A954F688C12317627A779D4@D8XYGK1S>

Hello Gina
I have just received a text on my mobile phone from Jill and she is in 
Paris,
She can receive our emails but is frustrated that she can't reply and has 
asked me to tell you that she is thinking of you Gina, and she has some 
strong thoughts on the topic and  she is hopeful the problem will be 
resolved be the time she gets home in two weeks and she sends her best 
wishes and thoughts to you.
I will text her back now.
No doubt she can read this!
How marvellous is the world of good communication and how amazing that Jill 
can text me in Melbourne and I can send this email immediately!!

Maureen
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Family Voices" <familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com>
To: <familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 9:45 PM
Subject: Re: FV: risk as developmental opportunity vs risk 
assomethingtomanage


Hi Maureen

That sounds great - we aren't down there until around 5th October so will
certainly touch base before then.

Gina

Gina Wilson-Burns
110a FLANNERY LANE, TAPITALLEE NSW 2540
TELEPHONE : 0412 022014 or 02 44460037
EMAIL: sandgburns at bigpond.com


-----Original Message-----
From: familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com
[mailto:familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com] On Behalf Of Family
Voices
Sent: Thursday, 17 September 2009 9:40 PM
To: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com
Subject: Re: FV: risk as developmental opportunity vs risk as
somethingtomanage

Gina
I live five minutes from Caulfield.
Please let me know when you are going to be there and maybe we could  catch
up?
However, I am going to be out of action for the next few days after a trip
to hospital. But, hopefully I will recover quickly (I have to!) and so
please let me know if you are going to in town and it would be so nice to
see you and meet Mac.
Same for you Jane
Please contact me while you are in town if you get the chance it would be
lovely to see each other and meet our young ones.
My phone number is 95002256 and my mobile is 0408539661
Maureen


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Family Voices" <familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com>
To: <familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 2:02 PM
Subject: Re: FV: risk as developmental opportunity vs risk as something
tomanage


> Thanks Daryl
>
> Appreciate it.  You are right as always, talking over dinner last night we
> concurred that we do, in fact, see these types as issues as MORE important
> than them getting the educational requirements right.  They are insidious
> lessons indeed.  They set the scene for the 'other path we don't desire'
> of
> a devalued life where only people 'paid to care' are there.
>
> Gina
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com
> [mailto:familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com] On Behalf Of Family
> Voices
> Sent: Thursday, 17 September 2009 1:31 PM
> To: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com
> Subject: FV: risk as developmental opportunity vs risk as something to
> manage
>
> Hi Gina,
> A few thoughts on risk as a developmental opportunity vs risk as something
> to manage:
>
> 1. Don't try to get too far into the heads of the system, you will get
> lost
> in its emptiness!
>
> 2. Jokes aside, systems are not "structured  up" to be inclusive. They are
> structured more and more rigidly around business and management (e.g.
> risks
> and risk analysis) when they need to be structured more flexibly around
> the
> social/family movement necessary to promote the healthy development of all
> children (e.g. social and safety development of the children). These are
> "learning opportunities" for all. What the children are being "taught"
> here
> is to deny their natural helping talents and urges and "stay away" - this
> is
> a an adult, paid care issue and not something you can or should learn to
> do
> competently and safely. This a very insidious lesson. It is teaching the
> "social roles"  to these youngsters that will perpetuate the darkness that
> we seek to overturn.
>
> 3. Yes. There are sensibilities. Teaching safety and how we care for one
> another safely is a huge opportunity here. A natural opportunity exists
> for
> these youngsters. Somewhere in their lives, their own parents maybe, will
> be
> in a wheelchair one day; their grandparents, friends or relatives, maybe
> today. I would appeal to teachers to see this as a teaching opportunity
> for
> all that is being denied them to learn the dignity issues, the physical
> issues, the safety issues.
>
> 4. Yes. One must chose their battles. One must also chose their allies and
> strategies. These children, hopefully some of their parents and hopefully
> some for their teachers would see the common-sense of these issues and
> share
> the battle or even take the battle as their own.
>
> Kindest thoughts.
> Darrell
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com
> [mailto:familyvoices-bounces at inpress.pledgonline.com] On Behalf Of Family
> Voices
> Sent: Thursday, 17 September 2009 10:37 AM
> To: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com
> Subject: Re: FV: FW: irony of inclusion officers
>
> Thanks Jac
>
> Good info, thanks
> We think the licencing program could be the way to best manage the
> duty of care bit.  That way the parents of the kids pushing Mac will
> be aware they are doing so and can choose to give them permission or
> not as well.
>
> I am trying to get into the heads of the system - it's a very strange
> world.
>
> trust me... I do pick my battles, I have let about 12+ go by the
> wayside as I figure in time they can be addressed and possibly might
> happen naturally as other issues are sorted and mindsets change.  We
> had to be pretty firm with them on the 'not giving in for more days
> off this week' as there are about 4 kids in the school with full time
> aide support, we wanted them to see that it wouldn't be fair just to
> ask Mac to stay away just because he is 'the crappiest' but that if,
> on the fifth day they still had no support then it would be Mac's
> turn again.  I am also pleased that by giving them a bit of a bullet
> they have acted proactively and started getting extra names of
> potential aides.  They know I will help them any time, with anything,
> that I am trying to help them and not fight them, but they also know
> if they are supporting, making excuses for or actively undertaking
> discriminatory actions we will 'call them on it' and that is the only
> time we will really 'fire up' but only because we believe they have
> the potential to do better and not fall into the traps of 'but that
> is how it is always done'.
>
> I now get to move into the 'good cop' role and the next couple of
> issues Shawn goes into 'bad cop' role so they realise that they do
> actually prefer dealing with me LOL.
>
> i do feel for Principals though, they get so much conflicting
> information like this pearler our Principal got yesterday...  "The
> aide is for the teacher not the child, and you can't take one an aide
> from 'one child' to use for 'another'"  HUH, that single sentence
> contradicts itself - wan't the aide at the start of the sentence the
> 'teacher's?  And, if you have a rotating roster of aides for all
> children how does the statement of not using one kids aide for
> another kid come into it when all aides at some stage work with all
> children (classes).
>
> Gina
>
>
> On 17/09/2009, at 11:49 AM, Family Voices wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi Gina
>>
>> I've been talking to some folks I work with here about this and
>> here is the
>> gist of their advice to you. I think you can't have too many
>> choices in
>> terms of how to go forward..with lots of choices on the table it is
>> easier
>> to make the one which is best for your situation, I think. The
>> following is
>> a bit of a collage of ideas...
>>
>>
>> 1. Duty of care is a tricky thing .....and while the fact that kids
>> are
>> pushing the student around is OK with the parents ....school
>> departments are
>> wary of such stuff.....maybe it's not so much the danger that the
>> student in
>> the wheelchair is in ...rather the responsibility that the child
>> who is
>> pushing him has if anything did happen. (if there was an accident
>> and the
>> student in the wheelchair was badly hurt, what might the
>> consequences to the
>> child pushing him be emotionally, for example).
>>
>> 2. I would suggest that the parent should make contact with the
>> integration
>> officer concerned....this should not be a faceless decision.  I would
>> suggest that she speaks to the school principal first - suggesting
>> that she
>> is going to contact the department and seek further clarification
>> on this
>> matter.  I would have thought some compromise could be found.....I
>> have
>> worked at heaps of schools where it pretty common practice for kids
>> to push
>> chair users around - it is a way to foster inclusion and the parent
>> is right
>> in that there appears to be something a little more natural about
>> this than
>> for her son to be at the whim of an adult...I guess too the parent
>> is hoping
>> to set up stuff for many years to come.
>>
>> 3.In terms of EA support ...this is tricky.  I think the parent
>> needs to
>> make sure she maintains goodwill at the school.  I have been in a
>> situation
>> where i have had to find relief EAs and at this time of the year it is
>> difficult.  If she can suggest a list of possible EAs who will drop
>> everything at little notice ...it might make things easier.  But it is
>> really tricky.  I am not saying it is right to suggest that the
>> student in
>> the wheelchair should stay home ....I am saying this sort of thing
>> can get
>> tricky.  To suggest that it is about their 'staffing
>> incompetencies'....will
>> not result in the sort of outcomes the parent is after for her son,
>> whose
>> experience will best be served by some good old fashioned give and
>> take.  I
>> know this sounds awkward ....but it is about community and working
>> together....the parent will find that she burns out if she doesn't
>> accept
>> some stuff on face value. Maybe some volunteers in the immediate
>> community
>> can be found who might be happy to come in on those days where
>> there isn't
>> an EA.
>>
>>
>> There you go - this is a more system based perspective but I think
>> is useful
>> for that reason - the more you can get into their heads and
>> understand them,
>> the more likely you will be able to come to some solution.
>>
>>
>>
>> Jaquie :)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com  Thu Sep 17 05:39:11 2009
From: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com (Family Voices)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 22:39:11 +1000
Subject: FV: risk as developmental opportunity vs riskassomethingtomanage
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Thanks Maureen and Jill

Will keep you in the loop.
Gina 

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From familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com  Wed Sep 30 20:21:18 2009
From: familyvoices at inpress.pledgonline.com (Family Voices)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 13:21:18 +1000
Subject: FV: IDEA legislation
Message-ID: <BE86D4DA-BA20-408A-88C3-3A9B3180A2B0@bigpond.com>

Hi All

I know this is really lazy of me...  what legislation in Australia  
most similar/relevant - if any -  to the IDEA legislation in the USA?

Thanks guys - sorry to just "use" you for your brains and brilliance  
and not your looks on this occasion.

Cheers
Gina